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Just installed idle controll valve on my 97 F355

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  1. PA Charles Ferrari F355

    Apr 3, 2010
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    Quick question. I just installed my Bosch part#028014053 idle air control valve, that I purchased new, from Amazon, for $153. My question is, should I clean the connectors that plug into the control valve with a cleaner or simply just plug it in? Also, my vehicle has not had the fortune of having the installation of the Dave Helms gold connector kit. If so what cleaner is recommended?

    Interesting that my old air control valve had a very small amount of what appeared to be a Vaseline grease substance on the prongs.

    I also researched that when I start the car up for the first time, after installation, that I should let it idle for 10 minutes without putting anything on? Recommended?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. brian.s

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    I generally wear some clothes when resetting the computer on cars!

    Kidding! You should turn off the battery supply for 5-10 minutes then reset and start car from cold, let idle for 10-15 minutes to reset ECU parameters if that's what you're alluding to. Not really necessary with a simple replacement of a part such as the idle control valve.
     
  3. WATSON

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    Clean the connectors. I use DeOxit. However, just clean them up. It s not rocket science, just need a good connection.

    The grease you see is a di-electric grease used to keep moisture away form the connections and prevent corrosion. Not sure if that was original or not....

    Once you re-energize the car, start it and let it idle for 10 minutes (or at least until the car heats up and the radiator fans kick in). The ECU needs to relearn the engines nuances.
     
  4. PA Charles Ferrari F355

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    Sounds good.
     
  5. f355spider

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    Charles,
    can I inquire on the reason for the ICV replacement?
     
  6. WATSON

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    +1
     
  7. PA Charles Ferrari F355

    Apr 3, 2010
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    Actually this was the professional advice, that I received from you from the below response on another thread that I temporarily highjacked in describing my start up issues. Once the hurricane goes through my area of Pennsylvania and the rain subsides I will be able to start and run car for the required 10 minutes to see if my previous problem has been rectified. Thanks again for you prior words of wisdom....... and will update thread once I know.

    "So your problem is low cold idle. Could be your idle control valve (remove and flush it with some carb cleaner). The ICV could also be defective. The Motronic temperature sensor could also be bad. It is located near the oil filter. I think you may need a shop with some good diagnostic skills to check and confirm the operation of these various systems/parts."
     
  8. f355spider

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    #8 f355spider, Oct 29, 2012
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    Just advice, not "professional" in any way or form. ;) I have messed with that system a little in the past, and looked at all the various inputs it gets. There is also a throttle position sensor as well.

    Cleaning your existing one would be a start. Next, I would clean the contacts on the plugs, as well as check the Motronic harness ground, which is on the right rear bank head. (near the spot where they are 3 or 4 various connector blocks meeting)

    Wish I had known you were going in that direction, I have a used 'known good' one I could have sent you.
     
  9. PA Charles Ferrari F355

    Apr 3, 2010
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    Since part was affordable, I thought trying this one out first. I will let you know to see if I got lucky or not after hurricane passes through. If not, I may be adding to this thread for some pics on the Motronic harness ground and where to locate the throttle position sensor. I'm still learning so much from owning my first Ferrari for the past, almost 3 years now.
     
  10. lotusk

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    But there are two ICV's on a 355 right?

    Howard
     
  11. The Outcast

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    No...just one.
     
  12. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    My bad

    The 2.7 has 2 ICV's

    Howard
     
  13. f355spider

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    One Idle Control Valve on the 5.2 Motronic. Two on the 2.7 Motronic.
     
  14. PA Charles Ferrari F355

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    I finally had the opportunity to run the engine to see if replacing the idle control valve was the answer to my rough low idling when starting, which would then lead to higher intermittent revving when it became warmer.

    There was no change,....so it leads me to the question on what to do next. I was thinking it would be to purchase a throttle position sensor?

    What was interesting when the car got warm the temperature gauge was at a 13-14 point on the gauge at idle. Both fans were kicking on and off, so it is not a fan problem. Maybe an unrelated issue? Thanks in advance.
     
  15. F355Bob

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    I had a bad alternator last year and got a whole bunch of strange electrical problems. My temp gauge would read 220 even with the fans on and outside temps in the 50's and it would idle fast and then slow etc. When I changed the alternator and a bad battery form the alternator overcharging, all the electrical gremlins went away. The battery light never went on to indicate a bad alternator or battery.
     
  16. f355spider

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    #16 f355spider, Nov 1, 2012
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    Charles, I would hate for you to simply throw parts at this. I really think you need a proper diagnosis from a Ferrari specialist. I think it may end up being less expensive and frustrating that swapping parts. (warning/disclaimer, I am a "hack" and have no professional experience, only my own DIY work on my car, and reading the owners manual and workshop manual) I will tell you I have had a similar (but intermittent) low cold idle problem for several years. Dealer has been unable to fix the problem. I replaced the ICV, water temp sensor, and TPS. I also did the gold connector kit, and refreshed the Motronic ground point. No change. Dealer suspects there may be a bug in the Motronic, and I either need a new Motronic or a reflash. The car drives perfectly in all other respects. When I get the low cold idle, it can often be corrected by simply shutting down and restarting. Occasionally, I might have to shut down and restart two or three times, until I get a proper cold idle. If I let it simply stay at this lower cold idle of around 750 rpm or so...it will eventually creep up to around 1000 or 1100 rpm after 40 to 50 seconds. Normal cold idle is around 1400 rpm.
    Again, intermittent, I might not see this for several cold starts, then it happens. NEVER happens if the engine is even slightly warm...only when dead cold.

    But, if you wish to continue down this route, there are two things to consider:

    1) The Motronic determines the engine is "cold" based on the coolant temp sensor located near the oil filter mount. (check the parts diagram for exact location) If that had failed, it might give the Motronic the indication the engine is always warm, when in fact it is cold, thus the low idle upon start. BUT, I would suspect a bad sensor would trip the "check engine" light...but am uncertain about that. This sensor is seperate from the sensor that works the water temp guage on the dash.

    2) The throttle position sensor tells the Motronic....well...the throttle position...whether at idle, off idle or wide open throttle.. Not sure how to check what without and SD1 or SD2. But they are not expensive...but reading the WSM, there is some skill to adjusting it properly.

    Do you have an OBDII scanner? It would be worth it to buy an inexpensive one that reads the various sensor outputs. They would quickly tell you the readings on the coolant sensor, and that will tell you if it is reading correctly or not. Plug it in, and start the car when cold, and see what the temp reading is...and see if it raises as the engine warms up.

    If you own a laptop, go to Ebay and search for "ELM 327" and that will bring up a connecting cable for your laptop to connect to the OBDII port, along with some "freeware" to go along with it. Should cost less than $11 from Hong Kong vendors.

    I have one similar to this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/V1-5-ELM327-OBD2-OBDII-CAN-BUS-Auto-Diagnostic-USB-Interface-Code-Scanner-Reader-/180819846569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a19b3e5a9

    Once you have the cord, you can use the software it comes with, or use any number of freeware options online, or buy one if you like...but the software it comes with works fine.
     
  17. PA Charles Ferrari F355

    Apr 3, 2010
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    I do not have an OBDII scanner, as I was thinking previous to this, in getting one. I will have some time this weekend to look into your lead on this. Thanks for your link. Since I have Fab speed headers and test pipes on my car, my check engine light is always on, so it may be a bad sensor? Getting an OBDII scanner and hooking it up, would it indicate a bad sensor by throwing a code? You may refer to yourself as a "hack", but you truly have me beat. My Ferrari goal is to learn a lot more. Thanks.
     

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