Italian media declares: This is war

You do make me laugh with your deranged thoughts.

Why have you not proclaimed the same when a french team was caught cheating actively last year, and admitted to using the system for multiple years?

After all they're french, their engine is french, their whole team i french, the FIA and it's president are French. How much did they pay? Follow the baguettes.

 

You know Bas, acording to some "experts" around here, Britain must be the only honest country in the world ( i supose that's why they are caught cheating every other year), i can reacall Tyrrel, Mclaren, Bar, Berabham, just without having to think much about it, and of course, Germans are honest to..humm, not so, we just need to remenber all the cheating Mercedes did at DTM, (naninni, or pushing the audis out of the track to win the title)...so, Id we join a known cheating team (mercedes) and put it in Bitain (known for having more cheating teams than anyone else) we have an amazing combo!!! Don't folow the money, just folow TOTO, lololo

 

Oddly enough no one ever catches Ferrari, this could be becaus ethey are very good at it, or because they are honest....i personaly think they are both!

 

I don't see anyone making those arguments...
You could add Lotus to that list of course...among other things, the Lotus 72 won some races with very much illegal, telescoping rear wing struts to allow the wing to bend at speed.

But in the modern era, when multi-national manufacturers are so heavily involved and the sums and political power at stake so monumental, there's going to much paranoia and scrutiny - and much more potential fallout. And anything involving the powerunit / fuel flow in particular is going to be hyper sensitive for the FIA and most constructors...even in Nascar (a sport built on and semi-tolerant of some degree of rule bending) hammered MWR/Toyota when they found out they juicing the fuel.

 

Just off the top of my head, I can recall all the following cheats perpetrated by the said actors of the D-GB “axis-of-evil” ;-) either individually or allied:

• Brabham fan-car
• Brabham pneumatic/hydraulic lowering suspension
• Brabham “brake cooling” water tanks
• Brabham-BMW BASF fuel of 1983
• Tyrrell lead pellets in fuel tank
• Toyota Motorsport GmbH rally Celica turbo inlet
• McLaren spygate
• Mercedes secret tire testing
• Mercedes oil-burning

 

The fan car was not cheat - it was a classic example of a rule exploit. You could argue pro/against as far as it's ultimate legality, but Brabham were never going to get in trouble for building and racing it. They very explicitly met the letter of the law as written.

Same for pneumatic/hydraulic lowering suspension...it was based on incomplete and thus unenforceable rule. The cars met the letter of the rule as written.

The Tyrrell ballast is most definitely a cheat...

and If Ferrari were for instance deliberately misleading/bypassing an FIA fuel sensor, then it does qualifies as cheat imo...
It would presumably be contravening a specific regulation "Any device, system or procedure the purpose and/or effect of which is to increase the flow
rate or to store and recycle fuel after the measurement point is prohibited."

 

Exactly. “incomplete and thus unenforceable rule” or else FIA would have disqualified the team.

 

And since Italian teams have the most important role in Motorsport history by far, (Ferrari in f.1 and sports cars, maserati, Alfa Romeo in everything, Lancia and Fiat in rally)..you just name it, it's a wonder that 90% of the cheating lies with british/german teams. In fact, i believe that British and german "suposed superior" engeneering is still very butt hurt from all the years the "lazzy and desorganized" "pasta eaters" have humiliated them.

 

I supose the only german marque with some real pedigree is Porsche, after Ferrari, they are without a doubt the biggest name in motorsport history...although it's true that they only managed to be so dominent at sports cars because Ferrari decided to leave, otherwise, things would be very, very diferent indeed. Britain had some decent ones, jaguar , Aston, Bentley, i always admired those 3...but were are they now? exacly! and former f.1 teams? Lotus, Brm, cooper, Vanwall, Tyrrel..o well. They still have Mclaren and Williams...although Williams is a bit of a mess... As Lauda once said, it was us against them (britsh teams), and in rally it was so funny, When Audi acme up with the quattro, and still they couldn't beat the lancias 037, the guys from audo were convinced the lancia had some sort of 4 wheel drive, they even sent some jounous spread the rumour they had it, an caught guys from audio under the Lancias, trying to figure it out, lololo

 

Dead silence from His Williamness

 

FIA has been lenient with other teams during the hybrid era

Mercedes, illegal tyre testing ?

 

Oh, he's been silenced for me for several months now, my brain just can't thank me enough!

 

I'm just glad we have the Portuguese to keep us all honest.

 

Dear Elton/mercedes fan, i'm terribly sorry i forgot to put you on ignore, i have no excuse, i'll see to that immediately.

 

If the 'settlement' were Mercedes and FIA the posting here would be interesting.

This is simple Ferrari were caught and settled. Ferrari and FIA issue. Teams, all teams protest and complain and scheme.

This was known through the year last year. No matter Red Bull or others initiating this.
I love F1 - first. Ferrari fan as they are my favorite team. I want to see them win with honor and clever engineering/strategy. This they lack. Im disappointed but I do support them. I hope to see a 'fair' sport. Not always perfect F1 is. I accept that. Ask yourself how badly you would want to know the 'settlement' details if the issue was not Ferrari but others.

 

Thanks for posting something about this from a known driver's perspective. We only know what we see and hear in the press from editors/reporters mostly.

 

As have mercedes but you don't seem to care.

 

ah yes, in an attempt to keep the forum alive.

 

Im not sure why this would be bad. I post and share inputs or data of interest and enjoy F1 discussions. I enjoy this forum and the info members bring. Quite normal no??