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is the bubble due to burst?

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  1. donv

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    The latest 365GT made $160k, RNM... sadly, I think $160 is pretty close to market today. But yesterday a beautiful 400 automatic made $46k (and still didn't make reserve)!
     
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  3. readplays

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    Great early history- but if you want to make it right, that will require at minimum; new rear clam, rear wheels, full respray to original light blue.
    Those items have to add up to a hefty discount to whatever 'market' is these days.
     
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    UK market was weak prior to Covid 19. RHD and the mods add up to a 30-50% haircut(btw I need one).
     
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  5. readplays

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    I wasn't going to say anything.
     
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  7. donv

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    It will be really interesting to see how the C/4 on BaT does. I would be a bit surprised if it breaks $200k, and I would also be a bit surprised if the reserve is less than $200k. It looks like a very nice C/4, aside from the color.
     
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  8. LVP488

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    The funny thing is that, in this bleak environment, we're still at prices higher than in 2013 when nobody was mentioning a crash... to me it's telling how disconnected from reason the bubble of 2014-2016 has been.
    And I'm still dreaming that prices will come close to the 2013 ones ;)
     
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    Sold on the 6th of March.
     
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  12. readplays

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    Agreed that you certainly don't need to return it to stock- I suppose it could be considered Koenig-collectible by some.
    The point I was making earlier was IMO it's not a good general indicator of Boxer prices because it would cost a not small sum to return it to stock.
     
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    why return it to stock? I see no reason to do so
    have a koenig BB carb by myself and would never return it to stock.
     
  14. 375+

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    The market has spoken.
     
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    I was actually thinking of you when I wrote this, Romano :cool:
     
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  16. TerryG!

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    Perhaps I should add that I live in the RHD part of the world.
     
  17. hagen111

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    Old info from 6th of March, not a reference car. Which market has spoken?
     
  18. 375+

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    The market for bastardized RHD 512 BBs—that market.
     
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    #3617 TTR, May 15, 2020
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    But is it fair or even reasonable to call or consider it a "market" ? How many serious buyers or examples of available cars would you expect currently to be on this "market" ? A few ? Dozens ? More ?

    BTW, has anyone determined when this "bubble" is going to burst, or has it already ?
    No one really needs to reply, as I find these types of pointless debates something I mostly grew out of by the time I left kindergarten.
     
  20. stever

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    Geeze, how many years were held back? :)
    Methinks you might be exaggerating.....
     
  21. TTR

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    #3619 TTR, May 16, 2020
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    You might be right.
    Maybe this was still played in elementary school, but by 7th or so grade, we've already moved on to practicalities of life like fixing (and eventually driving) cars, drinking, smoking, sex, etc and endless disagreements of "bubbles", whether Elvis or his dog was gay, etc were considered needless waste of time ? ;)
    OTOH, since I didn't go to High School or beyond, perhaps I just never learned the importance of these debates ? :(
    Same with all those "My new car has so much more HP than...", "My truck has bigger wheels than... !" or "My bubble is more likely to burst than...", etc... :rolleyes:
     
  22. Smiles

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    Elvis’s dog was actually a homeopath.

    This has been a cause of a lot of misunderstanding.

    :)

    Matt
     
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  23. TTR

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    Damn ! You just bursted my bubble ! :(
     
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    I just saw it today. It is a nice car.


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    I love that BB.
     
  26. italiancars

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    No one can deny that the general market has been in a decline for a number of years. But Given the current situation in the world with the virus, economic, and political the direction of the market won’t be known until Scottsdale 2021.

    Contrary to the belief that it a world market, it is still based on what happens in the USA and the rest of the world follows. 3 questions in the fall will have to be answered. 1) does another round of the virus reappear? 2) Does the USA economy recover and continue with an upward trajectory? 3) who wins the November US Presidential election?

    Once those questions are answered only then will we possibly get a true sense of the direction of the market. Of course if you Have strange combination of answers to those questions or throw in another Black Swan event we could be asking a new set of questions waiting on Monterey 2021.
     
  27. donv

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    C/4 on BaT just sold at $218k. That's a healthy price for a C/4. I was surprised it broke $200k.
     

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