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  1. Aircon

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  2. Steve355F1

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    Because, you know, you need automatic weapons in suburbia. Shakes head.

    How exactly does a "good guy with a gun" prevent someone firing an automatic weapon from the 30 somethingth floor of a hotel?
     
  3. moretti

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    Rhetorical ??
     
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    It's disturbing how many times this thread makes it to the top of the list....
     
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    Not a hope in hell ........... too many below the 100 tide mark
     
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    IQ or number of guns per person?
     
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    Both !!

    But I was alluding to IQ initially but then realised this equates to the entire world o_O
     
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    Think how dumb the average bastard is that you meet every day - half the population is dumber than that.
     
  10. moretti

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    Hey, leave me out of it :mad::p
     
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    America's deadliest shooting incidents are getting much more deadly
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    Investigators load a body from the scene of a mass shooting at a music festival near the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip. AP
    by Philip Bump

    The mass shooting that killed at least 58 people in Las Vegas on Sunday night was the worst in modern American history.

    Police suspect that Stephen Paddock fired on the crowd at a country-music concert indiscriminately from his hotel room window, killing dozens and injuring hundreds more.

    If it seems as though we only just experienced another deadliest mass shooting in modern American history, it's because we did.

    About 16 months ago, Omar Mateen killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, after pledging allegiance to the Islamic State. Before that, the record was held by the mass shooting at Virginia Tech in 2007, in which 32 people were killed.


    Obviously any new "deadliest incident" will have more deaths than the ones that came before. From 1949 to 1991, though, the increase in the number of deaths was only nine.


    The shooting at Virginia Tech was more than double that in Camden, New Jersey, in 1949. The killings in Orlando added 17 more deaths to the total. How many will end up as victims in Las Vegas isn't yet known - but it's already twice the toll of the deadliest shooting in history as of 11 years ago.

    That the most recent incident to set a new record was only 16 months ago may have been a grim fluke; these incidents are too few to draw a real pattern in that regard.

    That the next incident to establish itself as the deadliest in American history will mean that more than 50 people will have given their lives, though, is only slightly less alarming than the near-certainty that there will be a next incident.

    America's deadliest mass and spree shootings:


    - 1949, Camden, New Jersey, 13 killed. Howard Unruh, a World War II veteran, walks the streets of Camden killing random people.

    - 1966, Austin, Texas, 18 killed. Charles Whitman fires from a tower on the University of Texas campus.

    - 1982, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 13 killed. George Banks kills five of his children and 8 other people.

    - 1984, San Ysidro, California, 21 killed. James Huberty enters a McDonald's and begins shooting.


    - 1986, Edmond, Oklahoma,14 killed. Postal worker Patrick Sherrill kills 14 people at his workplace.

    - 1990, Jacksonville, Florida, 10 killed. James Pough kills 8 people after his car is repossessed. He'd killed two others earlier.

    - 1991, Killeen, Texas, 23 killed. George Hennard drives his truck into a cafeteria and then opens fire.

    - 1999, Littleton, Colorado, 13 killed. The shooting at Columbine High School was the deadliest school shooting to date.


    - 1999, Atlanta, 12 killed. Mark Barton kills nine people at brokerage firms in Atlanta after having killed three relatives.

    - 2005, Red Lake, Minnesota, 9 killed. Jeffrey Weise kills members of his family and then students at a local high school.

    - 2007, Blacksburg, Virginia, 32 killed. Until 2016, the 32 people killed by Seung-Hui Cho was the deadliest mass shooting in American history.

    - 2009, Fort Hood, Texas, 13 killed. Nidal Hasan kills 13 people at Fort Hood.


    - 2009, Binghamton, New York, 13 killed. Jiverly Wong murders 13 people at a small immigrant services center in southern New York.

    - 2009, Geneva County, Alabama, 10 killed. Michael McClendon kills 10 people, including a baby, in rural Alabama.

    - 2012, Newtown, Connecticut, 27 killed. Adam Lanza's spree at Sandy Hook Elementary including the murder of 20 children.

    - 2012, Aurora, Colorado, 12 killed. James Holmes kills a dozen people during a late-night movie screening.

    - 2013, Washington, D.C., 12 killed. Aaron Alexis kills a dozen people with a shotgun.

    - 2015, San Bernardino, Calif. 14 killed. Syed Farook and his wife Tashfeen Malik kill more than a dozen people during a holiday party.

    - 2015, Roseburg, Oregon, 9 killed. Chris Mercer kills nine in a shooting at a community college in Oregon.

    - 2015, Charleston, South Carolina, 9 killed. Dylann Roof attends a prayer meeting at a church in Charleston before opening fire.


    - 2016, Orlando, Florida, 49 killed. Omar Mateen murders dozens at the gay nightclub Pulse in Orlando after pledging allegiance to the Islamic State.

    - 2017, Las Vegas, 58 killed. Stephen Paddock shoots at a concert crowd from a hotel room on the Las Vegas Strip.


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    Las Vegas attack triggers rally in shares of US gun makers
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    Karl Sorken, production manager for Battle Rifle Co, based in Webster, Texas, works on the rails of an AR-15 style rifle. Battle Rifle is one of now more than 10,000 gunmakers in the United States. AP
    by Polly Mosendz and Kyle Stock

    The grim predictability of stock-market reactions to US mass shootings - where before a final tally of casualties can be reached, shares of gun makers rise - continued in the wake of a Las Vegas attack that killed at least 58 and wounded 515.

    Historically, gun stocks have experienced a bump after a mass shooting for reasons both political and emotional. Gun sales typically rise over concerns that a deadly event could lead to more stringent gun-control legislation. An additional driver of sales, and by extension shares, is the rush by some consumers to purchase guns to defend against future attacks.

    Authorities said that Stephen Craig Paddock opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort, high above a crowd attending the nearby Route 91 Harvest Festival concert. The shooter, originally reported to have been killed by officers, may have shot himself before they entered his hotel room, police said. As local hospitals worked to treat the injured, the south end of the iconic Las Vegas Strip was shut down. The motives of the 64-year-old white gunman remain unknown, police said.

    As news of the attack spread this morning, firearm-related stocks began to rise. Olin Corp, the maker of Winchester ammunition, rose almost 6 per cent by midday New York time. American Outdoor Brands Corp, formerly Smith & Wesson Holding Corp, was up about 4 per cent and Sturm Ruger & Co rose 4 per cent. Following the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., last summer, which left dozens dead, Sturm Ruger and Smith & Wesson saw stock prices increase. The same phenomenon occurred after the San Bernardino, Calif. shooting in late 2015, which left 14 dead.

    In the past, gun rights supporters and organisations such as the National Rifle Association have warned of future regulatory efforts Democratic administrations may try to impose using a mass shooting as justification. This pattern continued throughout the Obama administration, even when the Democratic Party lost control of the House and Senate. Things could turn out differently, however, now that Republicans control the White House and both houses of Congress.


    Gun makers have made it clear they see a connection between the partisan politics, high-profile shootings, and their business. "Concerns about presidential, congressional, and state elections and legislature and policy shifts resulting from those elections can affect the demand for our products. In addition, speculation surrounding increased gun control at the federal, state, and local level and heightened fears of terrorism and crime can affect consumer demand," American Outdoor Brands wrote in its annual report this year, citing the "impact of news events, including terrorism" on gun buying habits.


    Political change can have an adverse effect on gun stocks, too. After the 2016 election of Donald Trump, who has espoused less-strict gun control policies than those of his Democratic predecessor, gun stocks sank. American Outdoor Brands has seen a double digit stock decline in the months since the presidential election.

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    As Waleed said on the Project tonight, This will happen again..no change, Apparently there is one gun per person in the US
     
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    Jimmy Kimmel opened with a good monologue yesterday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYeBXudsds

    Whenever these events rear their ugly head, I always think of the Jim Jeffries "Gun Control" video. Probably been posted before, but here it is again anyway.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
     
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    I'm now of the opinion,after Sooooo many of these mass murderings.....you ^&ckheads made your bed......now lie in it.

    If you and/or your government are so stupid as to not take heed of your ridiculous necessity to have the right to bear arms,then take all the consequences dolled out to you.

    .......oh..and don't go looking for sympathy anywhere!
     
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    Overall I totally agree. But it's impossible not to feel enormous sympathy and sadness for those directly impacted by this utter stupidity.

    I read on one of the news sites about some famous guy who has now declared he was utterly, utterly wrong about their outdated gun laws (which he previously supported) because this time it had a personal impact.

    Again, what exactly was a "good guy with a gun" going to do in this situation?
     
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    Don't know what happened there...

    The bloke you're talking about was a guitarist in one of the participating bands....not that famous.
    But he did renounce his point of view re gun ownership.

    We must understand this was a country music festival where most of the crowd probably have access to firearms.....if that's a generalisation then so be it.
     
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    I don't really see the relevance in terms of who was in the crowd or what music they like.

    If anything the fact that this guy used to be a "believer" in the current moronic gun laws but has now changed his tune makes it more important than ever.

    ie. People everywhere are sick of being told what to think by people they can't relate to.
    Maybe this guy is different?
     
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