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Discussion in '308/328' started by vaccarella, Sep 7, 2012.

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  1. vaccarella

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    OK, I never actually use the radio when driving. But the one I have is truly butt ugly and stares at me every time I drive. Added to that, the damn thing bleeps at me unless the face is unhinged. It's a Sony model from the 90s.

    So, I've just picked up a sleek Blaupunkt unit that was more or less contemporary to the 308. But I'm not 100% sure it works ... Moreover, I'm effectively downgrading from Sony's 1990s (16-pin?) system to Blaupunkt's 1980s (8-pin?) system.

    I have a Sony harness plug and I want to go straight into the Blaupunkt socket without messing with cutting all those wires. Do I have any adapter options? Are all the pins wired up the same in these things?
     
  2. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Just forget the harness. You need to cut it out and throw it away. Our cars are as basic as you can possibly get in the wiring for the radio. I mean 1st grade stuff, maybe even kindergarten so don't lose any sleep over that useless harness that only fits that Sony radio you are tossing out.

    All the wire you need out of there (to start with) are the 2 speaker wires (left and right) antenna lead, ground and 12V. That's it. Just those WILL work just fine 100% of the time. My point is don't feel like you EVER need that harness again. It belongs to the Sony radio NOT the car. If your antenna is still set up properly as a semi auto, forget about any wires for that. If you want to have the radio go off when you turn the car off you need another switched hot wire. I am sure there is one in that harness. All you need is a test light and 10 seconds to find which is the battery wire (always hot for the radio settings memory) and the one that switches on/off with the car.

    Don't know what kind of Blaupunkt you are using but if it is from the late 70's WAY up into the 80's, they have funny little speaker hook ups on the back. You can buy them on Ebay. Besides those, you need no other special "harness" of any kind. Trust me.

    Get that much done and check back. We can talk you thru this, no sweat.
     
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  4. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Not really. Here's what I would do: simply cut the wires leaving enough hanging out from the dash AND long enough from the adapter so if the other doesn't work, all you have to do is splice the wires back.

    Even better just hook up the Blaupunkt to a car battery and a speaker with some spare wire and test it first.

    Post a picture of the back of the Blaupunkt. I love those old radios and buy them all the time off ebay so I have a lot of extra Blaupunkt-specific plugs. I can mail you a couple if you can't find any on ebay. No charge for them. Just glad to help.
     
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    When I tore out the old Alpine, it was hard wired.

    What I did was restore the original factory connector ...
    ... except with two added pins: switched 12V (the factory wiring only had battery power), and instrument lights (to dim the faceplate back light at night).

    Then I took the console inside, and wired the new stereo to a mating connector over the winter.

    That way, I could test it using a 12V supply and some speakers, before installing it in the car.
     
  6. vaccarella

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    #6 vaccarella, Sep 9, 2012
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    Thanks Tommy,

    Here's a picture of the back. I'm going to follow the harness back; I don't know how all those cables are connected and where to. Maybe there's a harness adapter from an older system tied up back there.

    I'd test if I had a spare battery and speaker. Can certainly get 12V on the bench in the house but do the speakers require a certain impedance? One option is to send the signal into a 1/4 jack and stick it into a guitar amp. I just need to know the pinouts on the rear of this thing, I have micro croc clips etc to rig sthg up even if I don't have the OEM plug.
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  7. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #7 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Sep 9, 2012
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    Car speakers are pretty much all 4 ohm. Are you only using the two door speakers? (need to know how many plugs to send)
     
  8. vaccarella

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    Yes, only one in each door
     
  9. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    The speaker wires should be pretty obvious since they run +/- right next to each other. You need to find the switched 12V, Battery 12V and ground. The only wire that will seem a little strange - if it is even there - will be a power antenna and you can live without that anyway. Depending on the age of the radio, I seriously doubt it even has a plug for one on the back.

    Don't trust the wire color. You never know who spliced in what and when over the past 30 years. Get an ohm meter and use the continuity tester to find the ground. The whole excercise should take 3 minutes, tops.

    Fortunately for us, all you need to hook up an old Blaupunkt are three simple spade connectors that you can buy anywhere all day long. I have the funny speaker plugs so no worries there.

    (please forgive me if you already know these things but since we haven't met I have no idea and just want to be as helpful as possible)
     
  10. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I need you to pm me your address and I will mail you two plugs right away
     
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    Is that Los Angeles a cassette deck?
     
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    #12 vaccarella, Sep 9, 2012
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    Yes, it's very similar to the SM21 Heidelberg, Montreal, Oslo if you search for "Blaupunkt Ideal SM21" on this page

    http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_search.cfm

    But it's labelled a Los Angeles SM21. Can't find any other mention of it. Says Made in France. The usual nameplate on the cassette flip lid is not there. Maybe it came off or this thing is some sort of prototype.
     
  13. JohnnyTS

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    Hi all, here is my 1989 - 328 GTS

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    Right hand drive - Euro/UK Spec.
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    Black italian leather seats with red carpets

    anybody close to my VIN ? how can I find out more on when the car was manufactured, I have UK spec so no label in the door.


    cheers
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  14. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    #14 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Sep 10, 2012
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    Does this speaker plug look like it will fit the back of that radio?
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    That looks like a 2-pin DIN, Tommy. I have those on one of my old hifis. Am out of the country now until Fri so I will have to check the back of the unit again at the weekend.
     
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    Welcome and congrats!!

    You need to go back and type the "Start New Thread feature, and repost your VIN inquiry into a new thread!

    You can register at the Oaners Wensite the Factory operates and get that production date info.

    Regards,
    Alan
     
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    cool, thanx Alan.

    John
     
  18. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I'll wait until you get back home and look before I mail them over to you. This is the only type plug I have for the speaker outputs on a vintage Blaupunkt.
     
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    #19 vaccarella, Sep 16, 2012
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    So, I'm back (after a 11.5 hour delayed flight, no fun). And here is the rear socketry on my Blaupunkt. The speakers are easy as they are the DIN standard I'm used to on hifi.

    But where can I get a plug for the power block lower down? Which spades are they and what might the other two spades be for?
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  20. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Unless you don't have the speaker connectors I posted, you really don't need anything I have.

    All you need for the other in the "block" are simple spade connectors that are available anywhere. Absolutely 100% positive you do NOT need a special harness, adaptor, whatever you want to call it. As long as the unit works, we are good.

    I will double check tomorrow (all this stuff is in my other house) but from memory, you have a ground, a positive (always hot from the battery for memory), another positive (switched on and off from the ignition). Cannot remember the 4th but it really doesn't matter. I have enough units on the shelf that one of them has a diagram on it. I remember rigging the exact same thing in my Alfa Spider earlier this year.
     
  21. nerofer

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    Yep, Big Tex is right; nevertheless, without highjacking Paul's thread...your car is a very, very late production 328; most probably assembled in late August/ early September 1989.
    But, as Big Tex said, the Factory will give you the exact date.

    best
     
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    #22 vaccarella, Sep 18, 2012
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    Back to my audio.

    I reached into the belly of the existing harness and pulled out what I could. From all the spaghetti, I've narrowed it all down to seven cables, four of which I've identified as speaker stuff. That leaves three, see below for colours. If this is standard loom wiring, any ideas which is what?
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