I need facts that support that the primary focus for F1 is the WDC

to ensure both?

 

Team points are number 1. That little plaque Ferrari puts in the production cars never show the driver's name; just the years they won the most points as constructor...
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Team championships sell cars.
Driver's championships sell Tee Shirts.

 

Never seen a "struggling" team win a WCC, and teams want it because of the $$$$$$$$$$

 

I think you and I and Andreas are the only ones who seem to think this, but I think we're right.

If teams cared more about the WCC, they would have someone like Alonso run interference (which he is better at than Massa) so that both cars would finish higher than they would if Massa was in back.

If the WCC mattered, we would be able to recall how many WCC's each team has won and he would be able to recall epic WCC battles that came down to the wire. We don't, because it's a footnote in the media, and it's a footnote because nobody cares about the WCC.

If the WCC mattered, there would have *been* a WCC at the beginning.

The WCC exists for two reasons... as a "runner up prize" for a teams work even if the driver at another team won. And secondly as a way to distribute the money - it's handed out based on WCC standings.

Was it the year that Hamilton won the WDC that Ferrari won the WCC? I think so, maybe I am off... but this site went dead and nobody was rejoicing in the WCC win. Why? Because outside the 2 reasons above, the WCC is irrelevant.

 

I'm not saying it was because of this WCC victory that Ferrari built the 16M but it was certainly recognised by that championship. I think it does in fact sell cars as it is a mark of prestige, that used to be the main theme of Renaultsport ads for a while too. Now would have Ferrari just found another name for the car probably but the plaques do only recognize the WCC.

I guess it could be argued that it serves nothing else than bravado but I don't see it that way. Maybe I'm an odd one out but I always am hoping for the WCC as well. Is it as dynamic as the WDC? No

 

I think that the World Drivers Championship is important for both driver and team.
The team is undeniably associated with the result of a WDC.

The World Constructors Championship is maybe be less prestigious (if), but in practicality, it is more important to the team
Why?

Because the teams that gather the highest number of points in the WCC also earn the biggest slices of the FOCA cake at the end of the year.
These are the 'dividends' Bernie distribute at the end of the season and what F1 teams expect as part of their budget for the following year.

So gathering points and winning the WCC is VERY important for a team.

 

2008?

 

While both are important, WCC is most important to team and WDC to driver and his agent.

 

The WDC is nice to have if you can get it, but other than the $$$ aspect, I don't think many care outside of the teams.

Funny you mention the 16M, because I had forgotten about that car... IIRC all 430 Spiders were 16M's? If not, I wonder how the prices compared to a non-16M car.

 

The 16M was the spider variant of the 430 Scuderia. There is a massive price gap between a 16M and a 430 Spider, also remember it was limited to around 500 cars.

So I guess technically there is more of the money factor apart from FOM

 

I'm not sure, but I guess it sort of illustrates the point.

2009, Button won a close WDC victory over Vettel. I remember the 2nd last race where Button put in a fantastic drive to clinch it.

2008, Hamilton won a close WDC victory over Massa. I'm sure we all remember the last race when he clinched it.

2007, Kimi won the WDC - who could forget the events that year... Hamilton beaching the car at pit-in, Kimi with a snowballs chance in hell with 2 races left, but ends up winning it.

2006, Alonso beats out Schumi... the heartbreaking race where MS lost his engine and came back to the pits happy and thankful to his mechanics.

2005, Alonso beats Kimi, who had suffered horrendous car problems all year with the McLaren

00-04, who can forget Schumis wins.... Mika back to back wins in 98 and 99, JV in 97.

You can remember them all without looking it up.

But when I think of WCC winners... I am not sure if it was Brawn or Red Bull who won last year, and I *think* Ferrari won WCC the year Hamilton on WDC - but I'd have to look to be sure.

I would guess most of us can go back quite a few years and recall who won each WDC, but I bet we can't on WCC - not without thinking who the WDC winner was and then considering the team they drove for.

 

Agreed, without checking thats about it for me.

 

This statement is just plain ridiculous, laughable really, have Alonso run blocker ??? LOL !!!


So the Constructors title doesn't mean anything to Joe fan, to the team it's HUGE. Just because you can't recall Constructors titles doesn't mean everyone can't, especially the Tifosi and the Scuderia.

 

Bravo bravo bravo!!!!!

 

Right, it is ridiculous - the team would NEVER have a driver with a better WDC shot run interference to help them win the WCC... so clearly the WCC is what matters to the teams.

As for the WCC titles, I would wager that the vast vast majority of fans can recall WDC winners more easily than WCC winners.

Look at the Ferrari garage after Hamilton beat Massa in 2008... that tells you everything you need to know. They didn't give a crap that they had won the WCC. They all, to a man, wanted the WDC.

 

Teams get compensated from FOM based on Constructor's Points - drivers points mean nothing. So, which title matters most to the teams?

Frank Williams has been on record for several decades as saying that it's the Constructors Championship that is important to Williams; I believe you could find plenty of similar quotes from Ron Dennis as well.

 

Drivers championships definitely sell cars.
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