I give up! need help with power window cable replacement!

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  1. Dmctwelve

    Dmctwelve Karting

    Jun 25, 2011
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    Hi all, I am new to the Ferrari world and am quickly finding out that the 308 is just as much as a PITA as my Delorean lol.

    my pass window was running very slow and then stopped. I followed Birdmans tutorial and took it apart and found the problem, the lube inside had turned into cement. So I cleaned everything up and replaced the cable and tried to put it back in the car. The first attempt the cable was to short and would not make it around all of the pulleys. After taking it back out and removing one winding from the spool it is now to long and wont tension.

    I have taken it in and out about ten times today and no matter what i do its always either to short or too long!!

    I have checked the cable routing a couple of times and it is correct, I even ran the motor with the cable way loose just to ensure everything was working correctly and it was.

    I am going to start fresh on it tomorrow and replace the cable again and make sure it is exactly 10'10" from end to end.

    In the directions it only says to wind it around the spool using all of the grooves, does anyone have a more exact method? I was only taking the inner cable and winding it around until it got to the edge and lined up with the other cable. Should I be winding both cables around the spool at the same time? what am I missing here?? any thoughts or tips would be greatly appreciated, or if anyone is in MA and wants to swing by and lend a hand lunch is on me!!

    thx in advance!
     
  2. Fave

    Fave F1 Rookie

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    You only wind one end of the cable around the spool. Also the length on his site should be correct.

    However the cable will be slack at times and other times very taught depending on the glass position.

    Though I'm not convinced it came like that from the factory.

    Some people have installed a spring / tensioner device to take up that slack.

    The system does work, it is a PITA and his walk through is fairly good to get the job done.
     
  3. Dmctwelve

    Dmctwelve Karting

    Jun 25, 2011
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    Thanks! I'm going to try again tomorrow and see how it goes, I'm wondering if I may have made the new cable to short? Any idea how many winds around the spool to go? Do I just wrap until it is at the outer edge? Or do I overlap the wire forming second layer?

    Thx!
     
  4. viper_driver

    viper_driver Formula Junior

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    there's a groove in the spool. I wrapped mine til all the grooves were filled with no extra. I think that was 2 or 3 wraps, but i can't remember for sure. certainly not overlapped! I don't think that would even work since it has wire coming from both ends.

    I made mine the length you stated and both sides worked right on the first try.
     
  5. Fave

    Fave F1 Rookie

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    No he's ^ right, no overlap. it won't work as the wire coming the other way as it spools on would overlap the wire still on the spool.... make sense?

    If you have the old cable just make the new one the same length. Once the window is on and you are testing up and down, play with the cable a bit, try and let some slack out at one position and let some slack out in the other. It takes a bit of time but once you find the sweet spot you can sit back and watch the window slowly go up and somewhat slowly go down :)
     
  6. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    I recall the agony trying to get the right number of wraps on the spindle (I was thinking 4 wraps) while fighting an unmounted motor assembly. But if you wrap one too few turns, the window won't do the entire up/down distance and you won't get it tensioned. And if you wrap too many turns the cable will wrap over itself and bind. I haven't read Birdmans treatise but it should have a bold statement not to remove both window motors at the same time, leaving one side intact so you can use it for a guide. Perhaps too late.

    I did put a spring on my idler pulleys to reduce and even out the cable pressure, that job isn't tough, but first your drive spindle must be dealt with and for me that took hours before things fell into place.

    The main reason for the spring was with relays and a full 12v at the motor, my window speed was scary fast (~2 sec) and the forces bothered me for reliability. In fact I no longer recommend a full 12v accelerator system.

    spring details: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=136928647&postcount=6

    video: http://www.ferrari308gtbi.com/windo.wmv
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  7. Dmctwelve

    Dmctwelve Karting

    Jun 25, 2011
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    thanks for the replies guys, i was able to win the fight today and my window is now working perfectly! I ended up having to make the cable 10'10.5" long, no idea why, but that is what it took to get it to seat in the pulleys.

    thanks again!
     
  8. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    Now that the deed is done...can you explain specific details of replacing the cable. How much total length did you purchase, where purchased, and details of the cable specifications. Also how did you put the ferrule on the ends, rented/purchased tool? Did ferrules come with the cable or purchased separately, if so what are their specs?
     
  9. shawxhurst

    shawxhurst Formula Junior

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    I learned an interesting trick from my independant mechanic: He cut the cable about 3-4" too long, wound it on the spool and started threading the pulleys starting at the top. When he got down to the clamping washers that hold the cable to the rear edge of the glass he formed a loop in the cable and clamped it in place. Voila! an adjustable cable! I wish I had a picture of this but I have sworn never to go inside a Ferrari door again unless there is a major reason - way too much of a PITA
     
  10. Dmctwelve

    Dmctwelve Karting

    Jun 25, 2011
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    the writeup that I followed is located here:

    http://www.birdmanferrari.com/service/windowservice/index.html

    it is a excellent step by step procedure, worked great except my car I had to make the cable .5" longer, I could have gone 1" I think and it would have been easier but .5 longer did the trick!


    shawxhurst,

    that is a excellent idea!! I wish I had thought of that yesterday!! lol and I agree, my drivers window is a little slow, but no way in hell am I fixing it until it no longer works at all lol these doors are a pita for sure.
     
  11. Birdman

    Birdman F1 Veteran

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    Glad you finally figured it out. Those windows suck. ZFF did a great job writing that article. I wish I could take credit...but I'm just the host!

    :)

    Birdman
     
  12. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    It's not as rare as you'd think, lots of companies are going to similar systems instead of a big metal regulator frame..

    My first wife's Audi 5000S was similar, and expensive to fix!!
     

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