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  1. Gerry328

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    #1 Gerry328, Jan 18, 2009
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    I am trying to find out the brand of this hose. I cannot find any reference to what appears to be a GGG logo. This is the Ferrari part 114277, the hose for a 328 fuel tank balance tube. The passenger side is the location of the longer hose. The balance tube and tank do not align well. The wire reinforced hose is just too stiff, so I finally decided to buy the OEM part. My problem is this hose is 3.25" long and the two that came off of my car are 3.5" and 5".0 long.
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    Gerry,

    I've been running into this specific problem more and more on some of the 328's I've been servicing, as of late. The hose in your picture is an OE one and it seems that they now came in 85mm lengths, versus 100mm as I used to receive from Ferrari in past years. It is common to have poor alignment on the "crossover tube to RHS tank nipple". I've had some 328's where they line up perfectly, where others...they're not even close, or the OE rubber sleeve just covers the tank nipple! Very scary!!

    I've been using a "wet marine exhaust/fuel transfer" hose for many years now, with good results. However, with the fuel quality/alcohol content now ever present, I still change these cross-over lines out every five years, regardless of visual appearance. If you get into a bind and need these hoses, I can supply them in (100mm lengths). With the crossover tube loosened and centered, two 100mm hoses "should" fit just fine. The hose I use is the correct i.d and doesn't have that "wire" embedded...

    PM me if you need help...

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    David,

    Thanks for the offer. I am heading back to the dealer today to see if they have a solution. I'll PM you if they cannot help.

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    an alternative hose is the napa #1030 which is 1 1/2" id and can be purchased in 1ft. increments.
    it is slightly larger than oem, but with 12mm wide norma or aba hose clamps it works well.
    if you are really concerned, you can use 3/4" wide t-bolt clamps.
    this hose is made by gates specifically for fuel filler hose and transfer piping use.
    while long-term suitability with ethanol blends is important, gates most likely is addressing that issue.
     
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    #5 Gerry328, Jan 19, 2009
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    I have some 1-1/2" hose and it was concerned that it was just too large. That is why I went to the expense of buying the OE hose.

    Went back to the dealer today and they were amazed that my car had two different lenghts of hose. They has not seen that before and just finisned replacing those same hoses on a customer's car without issue. The dealer allowed me to return one of the hoses and are contacting the factory to see if a longer lentgh is available. I hope to hear something in a few days.

    I also found a Gates hose 24702 it is 1-3/8 ID and 1.71 OD. While it is noted as a fuel filler hose, Gates techincal support said it would be fine used in an application where fuel is always present inside. They said the only issue is the hose is not ment for a submerged application.

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    Agree completely! The aluminum tubes and nipples are 34mm which is extremely close to 1.375". The larger hose (although readily available in 1.5"), even with "heavy duty clamps", in my opinion shouldn't be used.

    And yes, the factory hoses are expensive...as well as some of the premium "marine grade" or "specialty hoses", but there's just too much at stake here not to do it right.

    Good luck Gerry and please let us know how you make out with the Factory providing the hose in adequate lengths. As I mentioned before, I've had a few 328's in for service lately, of which one could use the now provided 85mm length hoses. The others, due to varying lengths of the tank nipples and cross-over tube, required longer rubber hoses.

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    #7 Mark 328, Jan 20, 2009
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    My 328 requires a longer hose on the RH side too and it baffeled the dealer too.

    The hose I used is this Thermoid brand , it comes in 1 3/8" Dia. and it has no wire. It worked very well.
    Previously I was able to get the stuff with wire on, but the last time I did it I couldn't get the wired hose on?
    I called the company and they recommended someone who had some.

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    If you have to have one longer on one side you can get one for a Testarossa that connects the tanks and cut it to suit your needs.
     
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    I used both the Gates "VulcoFlex" and the NAPA equivalent for nearly three decades for this purpose without difficulty.
     
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    What is the part number? Is it the same diameter hose, just longer?

    Thanks, Gerry
     
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    Sorry to hear this, as Gates Vulcoflex is a specifically designed as a coolant hose...and not designed to handle fuel. I just pulled a piece of "Vulcoflex" off of a client's 328 that was used on the fuel crossover tunes, as it was swollen up and gummy.

    Probably not the best thing to happen considering where all that "gummy rubber" ends up...
     
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    With modern formulations even FUEL rated hoses are not holding up......

    Go with marine rated fuel lines......they move a lot of fuel, so will have larger sizes.
     
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    That is interesting since the VulcoFlex hose is a coolant hose. Since you have had that kind of performance out of that Gates hose, I feel good about the Gates fuel hose I ordered.
     
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    Great idea, part 116270 is the TR hose part number, It is 34mm x 128mm (5"!).
     
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    #15 Gerry328, Jan 22, 2009
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    I bought the TR hose suggested by ferrarioldman, and received the Gates fuel hose I noted above. I decided to use the Ferrari parts only because the very poor alignment between the balance tube and tank nipple on my car. The OE hose has a slightly thinner wall allowed for more flex in this small length. If the alignment was better the Gates hose would be perfect.

    The balance tube is back on the car. Thanks for all of the help.
     

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