im looking for put some carbon fiber into the F12 interior.. or changing a set of wheel didnt like the ferrari wheel.. It is my first Ferrari... so need some advice
A little confused. You ask about tuning of the F12 but in your post you ask about some carbon interior bits and aftermarket wheels. That's visual modifications, not tuning. Unless you know that the wheels you mount are lighter than the ones you got, it'll only make the car slower. Ferrari offers three different rims for the F12. Which ones do you have and what size are you looking to put on? Note that the big rim setups like the 21"/22" setups generally won't increase performance as the unsprung rotational mass will be greater and moved outward from the center of the wheel. MA Carbon makes interior carbon parts HRE makes wheels. Tuning consists of performance enhancements. I.e engine tuning, chassis tuning and brake upgrades.
I've thought about going with NoviTech stage 2 tune and full exhaust. The cost seems to be about $20k. Do you or does anyone here think it's worth it and has anyone gotten it done. Any feedback would be great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
yes definitely worth it - you will absolutely love it. I have it on my ff (x pipe, hiflow cars, exhaust, ECU) and its a blast. high quality products that you will absolutely love. macarbon is one of the goto providers for CF.
Thank you for your input it is much appreciated. What do you think about their springs and spacers? I was just concerned whether I would feel a boost of less than 10% increase in HP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
A 10% increase on the F12 puts it at over 804HP. I don't think I've seen that advertised so you'd be looking at less. Not sure when you would start to feel an increase and at what RPM since you start with so much. As far as the springs and spacers the F12 takes very well to this and will noticeably reduce any body roll without compromising ride. Must have a pro do the calibration and corner weighting and keep stock diameters. Only necessary if not satisfied with original dynamics in the conditions you are used to riding in.
10% is real when it comes to HP increases. in my view that's how the cars shld have come from the factory but they all lean towards conservative and it given them more bang for the buck when they launch the M or limited editions. also the reason to do the exhaust is the sound. I typically don't do suspensions but the novitec is good stuff. I slightly lowered my FF on the oem suspension but if I wanted to go further I wld use novitec.
Also wanted to get your guys' opinion on resale of the car with and without NoviTech upgrades. I know we have these cars to enjoy and we do but eventually we will sell them and get something "better". Is a $20k or $30k (with suspension work) price going to increase the resale value? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
no not at all -certain buyers will not want it and may as you to go back to oem if you plan on selling keep the old part in case this happens
Interesting. NV offers a tune that produces over 804HP on the F12? That's way more than the tdf and even more than the stated F12M and on an NA engine. Not sure that's real.
So after driving and exploring the limits of the car, you conclude that it is underpowered and too quiet? Ok then time to tune for more performance and better sound.
Haven't seen that one. Not sure how it would be possible to get to those numbers without increasing bore. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
NR states of their ECU reprogram my notes inside {} NOVITEC ROSSO - Ferrari F12 Berlinettta - Catalog - novitecgroup.com Power Optimized ECUs (~$5,600): Or if you go for the full on NR program (~$21k) Power Stage 1: My experience with such things is if you just do the ECUs you might feel it a little bit. It might have certain side benefits like the shifts might feel a drop quicker. Also the car is likely to be thirstier. As ttforcefed says they are somewhat conservative with the factory tune because they have to balance emissions, efficiency, and reliability. You might not care as much about one or any of those factors. NR also will reprogram the exhaust flap program from stock and maybe they can tweak it to your preference... On the 458 I found the stock program to be really annoying in Race mode, but on the F12 I think its perfect. But you will feel it more if you also do exhaust etc.... I think the F12 exhaust could be quite a bit louder- the stock system sounds like its holding back a good amount of sound- BUT- the F12 is a car that feels so right out of the box that I don't feel any need to do these types of modifications. I think it sounds great as is. But that's just my judgment and you might like more. If so I would have no problem going with the NR upgrades.
Novitec inhibited a car mag to record lap times when they had a full NR conversion F12 incl. Body Kit. I would not up the already high rpm cut off, especially when going to the track. With race cars the top 200rpm increase wear and tear of the engine over proportion. On the other hand you will notice any hp increase of 5%. It feels more nippy. And F12 runs massively high fuel/air ratios at higher loads. When leaning this out, substantial hp could be gained at the cost of risking heat damage under sustained load. (A chap following me on the track noticed a spray of fuel out of the exhaust tips :lol In the US I think you are not going to push the car hard for minutes, are you? Also I never heard of an engine failure of a Novitec tune. IIRC Fabspeed could not produce a hp gain with exhaust mods, which seems logically, as stock mufflers are straight pipes when flap is open. Maybe high quality cats could gain single digit hp? Boils down to an emotional decision and not a rational one
You can lower these cars a little bit on their stock suspension. I don't know the range but its doable.
thanks for reply...yeah my tuning process will after my mod of outside finish.... .. learned alot.. lol first ferrari
I see....and when you activate the lifter does it lift to where it does with stock suspension height or proportionally to the amount lowered?
The FF and F12 use different lifting systems. The FF lifts on all four wheels, whereas the F12 lifts on the front. Our 458 has been lowered 10 mm from factory height(max in our case), and when lifted it sits 10 mm lower so it's proportional to the lowering on that system. I'd be surprised if the F12 was any different. Must admit I haven't been under there to see how that systems works, but that was what my tech told me.
If I lived in a speed limited country where you rarely go beyond 150mph, I would do Novitec springs and an agressive alignment with at least -2 degree of camber etc. and push the car to its limits on twisty backroads burning loads of rubber. Also track the heck out of it. Awesome fun to power oversteer from one curve to the next.
You seem to be left out of the suspension and tuning discussion! For interior carbon, the OEM options are steering wheel, dash inserts, lower bridge, door panel inserts and luggage rack lip. I like the wheel, dash and bridge combo. These are costly from the OEM (dealer) but there are a couple aftermarket shops mentioned here; however, they mostly do exterior pieces only. What do you want to change?
