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  1. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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  2. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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    That 1.75MM 4-cam is one of my favorite ads. Funny how in 1980, within the same decade, another 275/4 was offered for $35,000. That's a fifty-fold in value in only 9 years!
     
  3. Ashman

    Ashman Two Time F1 World Champ
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    When I was in college in the early-mid 70's, in 1974 a classmate of mine with far greater means than I had at the time told me that he was trying to convince his father to buy him a Lusso that he knew was for sale for "less than $8,000". I wonder if he was talking about the one in the ad that you posted from 1974?

    PS: He wasn't successful in convincing his father to buy the Lusso. C'est dommage!
     
  4. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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    If I were in his shoes, I would've taken the high road and sprung for the 275GTB/4 under 10k. My argument would've been: "But father, it's the fastest and most beautiful of the 275 series, and it's going to sell for over $1,000,000 35 years from now, I just know it!!!"
     
  5. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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  6. 2000 456M

    2000 456M F1 World Champ

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    #109 2000 456M, Mar 23, 2009
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    I bought a 67 330GTC for $7500 in 1977. My nice house in an upscale Chicago suburb where I parked my Ferrari, cost about $50,000. 32 years later (I sold car and house decades ago) both are worth about 12-15 times that amount, but it's obviously not in constant dollars. If you had bought a broad market index fund for the same amount of money in 1977, you'd be better off financially even considering the recent crash, without even considering the costs of maintenance and insurance.

    What's important (obviously) is the pleasure of ownership and not the financial transactions surrounding the market.


    Those ads are great fun to read and go "dang, if only...." but they reflected the market at the time. There were far fewer cars then, of course, but also far fewer people with the means to purchase them.

    I do regret not buying a Monza which I could have had in '75 for around $6000. My reason? It had only four cylinders! D'oh! Now THAT car purchased for $6K would have beaten the market substantially.
     
  7. robbio99

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    I wonder what of the more mass produced 80's and 90's cars are sitting around today that will be looked back at longingly.
     
  8. yale

    yale Formula Junior

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    And those 575 550 coupes at $70-$110,000 can probably equate to the relative sales prices in these ads in their day.
     
  9. 2000 456M

    2000 456M F1 World Champ

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    Probably. My house-to-car ratio then was about 6.7 to 1. That would be about the same ratio for the same house and a 550 (the "modern 330GTC") today.
     
  10. 246tasman

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    #113 246tasman, Mar 24, 2009
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    Very much more recent, but still interesting, and I hope not too far off topic:

    Auctioned by Bonhams UK 2004.

    This is mainly parts but has the 3 cars at the bottom.

    I was at the sale and thought it was all far too expensive, but most of it looks cheap now!

    418 A selection of Ferrari 250GT spares,
    £391
    419 A good autojumblers lot,
    £253
    426 A dark red racing seat,
    £1,150
    431 Two new/old stock Marchall competition headlamp units,
    £161
    432 Two new/old stock Marchall competition headlamp units,
    £184
    433 Two new/old stock Marchall competition headlamp units,
    £184
    435 Two new/old stock Marchall competition spotlight units,
    £368
    436 Two new/old stock Marchall (250 GTO) rectangular spotlight units,
    £184
    437 A Jaeger 7000rpm revolution counter,
    £173
    438 A Jaeger 7000rpm revolution counter,
    £253
    439 A Jaeger 8 day dashboard mounting clock,
    £92
    440 A Jaeger 8 day dashboard mounting clock,
    £863
    441 An MG dashboard unit,
    £81
    442 A rare Alfa Romeo 8c 2900 rear light cluster,
    £633
    443 A fine and rare Smiths time of trip clock,
    £920
    444 A Smiths SS Jaguar 5000rpm revolution counter,
    £207
    445 A rare SACMA Ferrari oil temperature gauge,
    £230
    446 A good quantity of Smiths, Jaeger, Brevete and similar dashboard instruments,
    £81
    447 A Jaeger 160kph speedometer,
    £276
    448 A rare Jaeger 210kph speedometer,
    £207
    450 A rare Jaeger 5200rpm revolution counter,
    £253
    451 A rare Smiths 6500rpm revolution counter and cable,
    £633
    452 A rare Jaeger 10000rpm revolution counter,
    £520
    453 A box of new/old stock / restored rear and wing top light fittings,
    £460
    454 A Veglia Borletti 7000rpm revolution counter,
    £46
    455 Two Jaeger 8 day dashboard mounting clocks,
    £138
    456 A rare Veglia Ferrari water temperature gauge,
    £978
    457 A similar and early Ferrari water temperature gauge.
    £207
    458 A rare SACMA Ferrari oil temperature gauge,
    £207
    459 A rare SACMA Ferrari oil temperature gauge,
    £345
    460 A rare SACMA Ferrari water temperature gauge,
    £345
    461 A rare SACMA Ferrari oil pressure gauge,
    £230
    462 A rare SACMA Ferrari fuel gauge,
    £403
    463 A rare SACMA Ferrari oil temperature gauge,
    £230
    464 A rare Veglia Ferrari 8000rpm revolution counter,
    £4,140
    465 A Veglia Borletti 12hour clock in good original condition.
    £403
    466 A rare Jaeger 10000rpm revolution counter,
    £863
    467 A Veglia 180mph speedometer,
    £920
    468 A Veglia 8000rpm revolution counter,
    £690
    469 A rare SACMA oil temperature gauge,
    £322
    470 A Veglia Ferrari oil pressure gauge,
    £1,955
    471 An SACMA water temperature gauge,
    £322
    472 A Maserati 300s water temperature gauge,
    £345
    473 An SACMA fuel pressure gauge,
    £483
    474 A Jaeger 8000rpm revolution counter,
    £288
    475 A set of Veglia Ferrari 250 gauges,
    £1,840
    476 A rare Jaeger 87mph speedometer,
    £69
    477 A Ferrari 275GTB Veglia Borletti 180mph speedometer,
    £161
    478 A Ferrari 275GTB Veglia Borletti 180mph speedometer,
    £368
    479 A selection of Magneti Marelli and Bosch 3 position ignition switches,
    £863
    479a An 8C Alfa Romeo (Bosch) magneto switch.
    £81
    480 A quantity of new/old stock voltage regulators and other switches and spares.
    £230
    481 A quantity of new/old stock Ferrari related items,
    £2,990
    482 A Marelli 6cylinder distributor type 585 F,
    £920
    483 An 8cylinder Bosch distributor and cap type VG8 BR143.
    £58
    484 Three 4cylinder Marelli distributors,
    £1,725
    486 An 8cylinder Bosch VF8A 5107 distributor and cap.
    £150
    487 A 4cylinder Marelli distributor,
    £633
    488 A Lucas Special Edition Dynamo No. DA26,
    £46
    489 A Marelli 12V starter motor for a Ferrari 275GTB.
    £460
    490 A rare Scintilla type 1877 14hp starter motor,
    £368
    492 A Marelli Dynamo type 400- 12 – 2300s.
    £345
    495 A Marelli alternator type 6CA 101B 40-12-2300,
    £253
    496 A Scintilla magneto type VMN 7DFA,
    £1,035
    497 A rare Magneti Marelli type ST25 DAS-NB magneto,
    £8,510
    498 A rare Maserati 8C supercharger,
    £403
    499 A good pair of ‘Owl Eye’ Lucas tail lamp clusters,
    £92
    500 A good pair of Lucas ‘New Alto’ 12V horns.
    £115
    501 A new pair of Alfa Romeo 2.9B half shafts.
    £253
    502 Three Solex 32BI carburettors,
    £713
    503 A rare Weber 55 ASI carburettor,
    £575
    504 A good pair of rare SU sandcast 2" carburettors,
    £4,715
    505 A rare 4stud Weber 58 DCOA3 carburettor,
    £2,530
    506 Three Weber 48 DCO3 carburettors,
    £3,910
    507 A Weber 38 DCO3 carburettor No. 323,
    £1,093
    508 A rare Weber 36 DO4 carburettor,
    £253
    509 A rare set of 6 Weber 38 DCN carburettors,
    £9,775
    511 A good pair of Weber 40 DCO3 carburettors,
    £1,495
    512 A good pair of Weber 40 DCO3 carburettors,
    £1,495
    513 A rare Maserati 300s 6 stud oil pump.
    £978
    514 A rare pair of Weber 52 DCO3 carburettors
    £1,955
    516 Three Weber 36 DCF3 carburettors,
    £4,370
    517 A Weber 40 DCM1 carburettor,
    £322
    518 Three Weber 40 DCL6 carburettors and inlet manifolds,
    £3,220
    519 A pair of Weber 35 DCO carburettors,
    £115
    520 A rare pair of 6 stud Weber 58 DCOA3 carburettors,
    £22,425
    521 A rare Zenith 48K 747 Type 51 GP Bugatti carburettor,
    £920
    522 Three Weber 45 DCO4 carburettors,
    £5,520
    523 A large and comprehensive collection of Weber carburettor spares and accessories,
    £920
    524 A set of four Borrani RW3526 wire spoked wheels.
    £1,495
    525 A Type 51 Bugatti radiator surround and core,
    £2,530
    526 A set of four Borrani RW3264 wire spoked wheels.
    £1,265
    527 A Borrani RW4041 wire spoked wheel.
    £184
    528 A set of four Borrani RW3060 16 x 5 wire spoked wheels.
    £1,725
    529 Three Borrani RW3770 15 x 6 wire spoked wheels.
    £575
    530 Four Borrani RW3563 16 x 4.5 wire spoked wheels.
    £1,093
    531 Two Borrani RW3807 15 x 7.5 wire spoked wheels.
    £748
    532 One Borrani RW3690 15 x 6 wire spoked wheel.
    £403
    533 One Borrani RW3879 wire spoked wheel.
    £115
    534 One Borrani RW3241 15 x 5.5 wire spoked wheel.
    £403
    535 Five re-cast Bugatti Type 51 wheels.
    £2,415
    536 pair of rare Borrani 19 x 4.5 pre-war strap type wire spoked wheels.
    £863
    538 Three various Borrani wire spoke wheel rims,
    £184
    541 A Lancia Aurelia transaxle casing,
    £196
    542 A Bugatti Type 51 reproduction engine,
    £16,100
    543 A Bugatti Type 51 gearbox casing, ZF differential,
    £5,750
    544 An original Bugatti Type 57 engine,
    £17,250
    545 A Bugatti Type 57 front axle,
    £1,265
    546 A Bugatti Type 57 Stromberg carburettor type UU-2.
    £138
    547 A quantity of Houdaile shock absorber levers,
    £81
    549 An Alfa Romeo 8C 2900 differential (new).
    £403
    550 A rare Magneti Marelli ST25 DAS – NB No 328 6 cylinder magneto.
    £6,095
    551 A new/old stock Ferrari 250 gasket kit.
    £460
    552 A box of early competition steering and linkage ball joints,
    £460
    553 Ferrari 250 brake and clutch pedals,
    £943
    554 Six new Maserati 250F pistons,
    £2,070
    555 A 250 SWB middle section steering column part,
    £1,265
    556 A 250 GTO dry sump casing,
    £1,380
    557 Two (new) Ferrari 250 stub axles.
    £1,093
    558 Four (new) Ferrari 330 stub axles.
    £1,035
    559 A rare Magneti Marelli ST216 DAS No. 181 magneto,
    £6,670
    560 Two rare Ferrari V12 distributor angle drives.
    £1,380
    561 A Ferrari 250 GT pedal box,
    £1,553
    562 A fine pair of Marchall headlamps,
    £1,035
    563 A Ferrari 250 GT (possibly Lusso) late type cylinder head.
    £1,035
    564 Four (new) Ferrari 250SWB tailpipe end snaps,
    £920
    565 A selection of competition Ferrari and other fuel filler caps and kits.
    £460
    566 A new set of Ferrari 250TR / GTO high compression pistons.
    £633
    567 A box of Ferrari 500TR / 250TR (new) pedal boxes,
    £1,380
    568 A selection of Ferrari 250/275 LM gear parts and sprockets.
    £115
    569 A Ferrari 275 engine,
    £19,838
    570 A Ferrari 250LM front engine casing,
    £805
    571 Two Ferrari 250 GTO 6carb link cam boxes,
    £1,380
    572 A Ferrari 250 GT gearbox type 508E.
    £1,380
    572A A Ferrari type 603E gearbox.
    £805
    573 A Ferrari 250 GT (new) crown wheel and pinion (ratio 8-33).
    £518
    574 A Ferrari 250 SWB l/h axle tube,
    £748
    576 Ferrari 250 Tour de France l/h axle tube,
    £1,265
    577 A Ferrari 250 GT prop shaft.
    £322
    578 An early Ferrari 250 sump,
    £1,840
    579 A Ferrari 250 r/h/d steering box,
    £1,725
    580 A Ferrari 250GT cylinder block,
    £5,520
    581 A (new) 250 GTO alloy fuel tank,
    £2,530
    582 A selection of Ferrari 500TR magnesium and aluminium brake shoe castings.
    £633
    583 A Ferrari 250GT throttle pedal,
    £1,380
    584 A (new) brake servo for a 250 GT,
    £518
    585 A rare and early ‘Mona’Ferrari fuel pump.
    £518
    586 A quantity of 1950s SU type fuel pumps.
    £207
    587 A box containing various distributor angle drives,
    £1,380
    588 An early ‘Fispa’ Ferrari mechanical fuel pump,
    £978
    589 An early V12 Ferrari plug lead conduit,
    £575
    590 A C’Type Jaguar cylinder head and cam boxes,
    £3,680
    591 Two C’Type Jaguar cam boxes,
    £460
    592 Two reconditioned Type 506 Andre Hartford shock absorbers.
    £207
    593 A good pair of 1950s Bosch headlamps,
    £288
    594 A Ferrari 166MM gearbox end plate,
    £403
    595 A Maserati 250S cylinder head and cam cover.
    £3,910
    596 A Maserati Birdcage camshaft,
    £460
    597 Four new/old stock Ferrari 410 brake drums,
    £3,680
    598 An original BMW 328 Engine,
    £3,450
    599 Four ‘Luvax’ SS100 Jaguar hydraulic shock absorbers.
    £437
    600 A pair of 3.5litre SS Jaguar cam boxes,
    £81
    601 Two of SS100 Jaguar (new) seat backs and supports.
    £322
    602 A Coventry Climax FPF cylinder head and 2litre block (repair evident),
    £1,495
    603 A rare Maserati 8C2600 M horn push button.
    £230
    604 A collection of early SU carburettors and parts,
    £207
    605 An SS 1.5litre Jaguar differential,
    £1,610
    606 A Ferrari 275GTB Veglia Borletti 8000rpm revolution counter.
    £460
    607 A Ferrari 275GTB Veglia Borletti 8000rpm revolution counter.
    £437
    608 A Maserati 300s transaxle gear case section casting pattern. £100-200
    £322
    610 A Testa Rossa rear axle centre section casing casting pattern.
    £253
    611 A Testa Rosa pedal box and end parts casting patterns.
    £138
    613 A 250 TR gear change housing casting pattern.
    £58
    614 A 2litre Ferrari TR bell housing casting pattern.
    £23
    615 A four cylinder Ferrari sump casting pattern.
    £92
    616 A four cylinder front intermediate casing casting pattern.
    £173
    617 2litre Ferrari TR main and end gearbox casing casting pattern.
    £322
    620 A large selection of SS Jaguar spares and accessories,
    £483
    621 An Austin A60 gearbox.
    £173
    622 A small selection of AC Ace / Cobra trim fittings and parts,
    £138
    623 Two boxes containing Ferrari 275 GTB transaxle internals.
    £978
    624 A Marelli 21F1.8 12019 starter motor.
    £518
    626 A Bosch BGC 0.5/6 RS28P starter motor,
    £288
    627 A Bosch RJB 99/12 1100 dynamo.
    £138
    629 A Marelli MT21 1.8 1209 starter motor.
    £345
    631 A new Bugatti Type 57 steering wheel.
    £345
    632 A C’Type Jaguar steering wheel.
    £2,530
    634 A new steering wheel suitable for use on the Ferrari 250 SWB.
    £748
    635 A steering wheel suitable for use on the AC Ace / Cobra.
    £115
    636 Two Maserati 300s front uprights,
    £173
    637 An original Ferrari 500 Mondial crankcase and sump,
    £18,400
    637A A box of Ferrari 250 differential parts.
    £345
    637B An Alfa Romeo 8C Coil.
    £92
    637C A Ferrari Monza gear change assembly.
    £288
    637D A rare MT 23A starter motor (suitable for the 300s Maserati)
    £345
    637E A rare MT 23A starter motor (suitable for the 300s Maserati)
    £518
    637G A 250 TR gear lever and various change assemblies.
    £633
    638A A front engine case possibly for a 275GTB.
    £575
    638B Two boxed Marchal 672-300 spotlight units.
    £403
    638D A Maserati 8C cylinder head and engine timing cover.
    £690
    638E A Ferrai 250 rear axle centre dection alloy case.
    £805
    638F Four Ferrari 250 brake drum assemblies.
    £6,900
    638G A selection of Maserati Birdcage spares and accessories.
    £633
    639 Maserati 300S
    £34,500
    639A A rare Ford GT40 fuel tap and a set of Knock offs.
    £207
    639B A 250 GTO windscreen.
    £403
    639C A box of Ferrari 250 Hubs.
    £1,495
    639D A selection of 750 Monza spares
    £1,840
    639E A selection of Ferrari 250 GT and other spares.
    £1,093
    641 1966 Ferrari 275 GTB Alloy Berlinetta 08249
    £166,500
    642 The Ex-Fernando de Mascarenhas/Borge Barreto,1955 3-litre FERRARI 500/750 MONDIAL/MONZA Spider Corsa SPORTS-RACING TWO-SEATER 0560MD
    £353,500
    643 The Ex-Franco Cortese,1956 Ferrari 500 TESTA ROSSA SPIDER 0640 MD/TR
    £210,500
     
  11. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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  12. 2000 456M

    2000 456M F1 World Champ

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    The birth of vintage racing recreated a market and changed obsolete cars into a whole new commodity. The Lotus 23 era brought an end to the Lola Mk1/ Lotus 11 front engine cars and even many larger bore racers. (I bought a Lola Mk 1 with a Coventry Climax 1100 engine with dual side draft 40 DCOE Webers -that's one throat per cylinder--for $800 in the early 70's). 20 years later, the old cars were priced through the roof because there was a venue for people to run those beautiful machines in competition. Now Birdcage Masers and 250 TRs are too valuable to run wheel-to-wheel.
     
  13. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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  14. Ed Niles

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    You really know how to make a grown man cry! I was so proud of myself when I sold 0515GT for what was then a record price for a TdF; little did I know!

    Recently, I sold my collection of R&T magazines to one who posts here occasionally; maybe he'll grace us with a few tidbits. When I couldn't sell a car from an L.A. Times ad, I would go to R&T as the next step, although their lead time was off-putting. Yes, believe it or not, it was sometimes hard to find a buyer at $5000 or $6000!
     
  15. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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    #119 bannishg, Sep 3, 2009
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    Didn't Chris Cord once have a GTO on the market Circ. 1968 for about $7500? Supposedly it took several months and a price drop to sell it! There was also an article from Feb. 1974 (Autoweek?) commenting on investing in Ferraris. It claimed that "collectors had missed the boat:a good Tdf, once $4000 in 1968, is now $8500!; and a 250LM, once $10000 in 1971, is now $21000!" Even then, people were reminiscing!

    And here is some more salt for your wounds:
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  16. PDX_CarGuy

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    I was in high school in 1974 and drove a 1967 Shelby GT-350 (paid $2,850.) and I sold it in 1976 for $2,350 ( 3 speeding tickets). Nobody wanted a Shelby, everyone was looking at used Corvette's
     
  17. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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    I have a somewhat similar story:

    My uncle began his job as a high school teacher in 1970. That same year he bought a good original supercharged T-Bird for $2500. By 1975, he self-restored it to near concours, and another collector offered his 289 cobra in an outright trade for the car. He declined, and ended up selling the car a year later for $14k. He then bought a new cosworth vega, and, I believe he used the rest of the dough to build a pool and a deck. Concours T-Birds were in the same price bracket as a good California Spyder at the time.
     
  18. yale

    yale Formula Junior

    May 2, 2004
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    Parked my 330 next to a C/4 at Lime Rock today (Sunday), asked the fellow if that was his first Ferrari. Nope he said he has owned a 330GT and 330GTC, a SWB, and a 275 4 cam. Said the 4 cam was his favorite Ferrari. Told stories of him and his wife driving with his son holding on to the luggage straps in the rear. Son who was standing near us said "I wish you still had that car," he said "Remember that you used to scream when I gunned it? And not in joy either." I add this tale to this particular thread because he told me that Kirk F White was trying to sell him and LM for $14,000 and took him twice around Lime Rock. He thought it was too much of a race car for his daily use. He also mentioned that Bob Grossman had two GTOs on his lot for $4900 each. He felt he could have gotten the two for $9000 but they just seemed like old clapped out race cars.

    He said his favorites of the cars he owned was the 4 cam. He had to sell it or he felt he was going to kill himself in it. Told me that he found out the front end does indeed lift at 155 when he was escaping from a police pursuit. He said that was the second time that happened. Ah those were the days.
     
  19. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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    What year was this?
     
  20. bannishg

    bannishg Formula Junior

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