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Help, Can't get hose clamp over thermostat housing

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  1. 1TRICK6

    1TRICK6 Karting

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    #1 1TRICK6, Jun 20, 2016
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    With the help of one of (Shamile) threads I'm finishing up on changing out the upper left side coolant pipe which was cracked (Pic attached, anyone had this happen, looks like last service cut through the hose too deep?)

    Now I can't get the inner hose clamp over the thermostat housing. It so damn tight, I can wiggle it a little bit but it won't slide over enough. I even tried to slide a thinner band clamp behind the hose but that wouldn't even go through. I don't recall the area behind the hose that tight when I pushed the hose on. Any suggestions? And yup, I had to take radiator out to change out the pipe and that was a pain, don't want to take it out again.
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  2. Total Recall

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    Hi, it`s been 3 or 4 years since I did my engine out on my (ex-Testarossa) - so apologies in advance if I`m talking rubbish - but just off the top of my head I seem to remember having the same problem at the time with one of those clamps when I was replacing everything.

    I think in my case it wasn`t that it was tight on the hose overall but because it was getting trapped between the firewall and the hose. ie. I think the firewall could be pushing the clamp tight against the hose itself on the back-side.

    Maybe you could you undo the pipe mounting bracket on the other side to maybe get a mm or so of movement from the housing (not using excessive forcing ofc!)

    On the other hand as it`s connected to the engine by the middle pipe and also two others below (if I remember right) then you might not get any movement - but it may just help?

    Also maybe slide something between the clamp and the back of the hose before you slide it into position (like a flexible bit of plastic, maybe a thin tie-wrap or something) that will keep the clamp from getting stuck on the hose - but easy to pull out without damaging the hose once the clamp is positioned (and not tightened ofc.)


    I guess those pipes can crack easily - mine was cracked where one of the bleed screws was but luckily it was repairable.


    Keep trying!

    Dom.
     
  3. Veedub00

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    unspool the clamp off of the worm gear and feed it around then spool it back up. use silicone lube and put a lever behind the hose and apply slight pressure to create a 1mm gap?
     
  4. tbakowsky

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    Remove the body colored panel that sits just in front of the grill you have already removed. You will have much better access. It comes off exactly the same way as the grill piece.
     
  5. bpu699

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    I wish I had known that when taking out my motor for the major... Getting some of the hoses and ac off was a bear...

    This is the first time is see this mentioned...

    Thanks!

    Bo
     
  6. 1TRICK6

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    #6 1TRICK6, Jun 21, 2016
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    Tried all the suggestions, even pull coolant pipe back out a little and put hose clamp on the end, but the area between the hose and firewall is just too tight to get the hose clamp on. I thought I had it somewhat, but the hose clamp was a little cock-eyed off the hose and a little onto the thermostat housing and I couldn't nudge it over to the left, though seem tight enough.
    Loaded it up with coolant and pump up the system with 12lbs of pressure and coolant blew out the right side of the hose.

    If no other suggestions, It's time to take to it to a F service, If I can find one in the LA/OC area that knows what they're doing, it sure wasn't the last place I went to.
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  7. bpu699

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    Put a screwdriver or something else for leverage behind the tubing against the firewall. It will easily move forward a quarter inch to slide the clamp under...

    Or, flip the hose clamp around...
     
  8. PineChris

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    Try Francos European.
     
  9. vincenzo

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    Looks like the worm gear is the source of interference. Pull it off and flip it over such that the worm gear is at the front with the slot accessed from a more vertical position with your screwdriver. This gets the worm gear away from the firewall.

    Cheers,
    Vincenzo
     
  10. tbakowsky

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    Further down the tube to the left, is a clamp which holds the tube to the firewall. Loosen the nut. As mentioned, use a screw driver to gently pry the pipe away from the firewall. Position the clamp, and tighten it down. No reason to take it anywhere for this.
     
  11. 1TRICK6

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    Thanks everyone for your advice.
    Ended up prying the left side of the thermostat housing away from the firewall and
    slid the clamp in. What a pain.
    All I got to do now is fill it, bleed it, and make up for the week of down-time.
    (Next projects - Fuse box upgrade/slow moving window motors, I'm sure I'm gonna need help on these too)
     
  12. qwazipsycho

    qwazipsycho Formula 3

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    The fact that you didn't pull the top horizontal "grill" piece off made your job MUCH harder. It's 4 nuts, easy to get to on the underside. Once removed, you can access AC compressor, alternator, thermostat, tubing, etc, etc, MUCH easier.

    Whoever cut through that pipe should be shot and then horse whipped.
     
  13. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    The brass bleed bolt on the top of the thermostat housing should have a groove cut down the length of the threads. No need to remove it - just loosen it to bleed the air. If you remove it, it is very easy to drop it into unknown voids at the front of the engine. You MUST then recover the bolt to ensure that it does not get tangled up with your belts. Recovery won't be easy - too many places to hide and it is non-magnetic.

    Also, the bleed screws on top of the tubes require VERY little torque to tighten. If they are frozen in place - use LOTS of Kroil over several applications with time and perhaps some heat. If you use brut force to loosen them, you may pull out the threads along with the nipple.

    Cheers,
    Vincenzo
    PS: guess how I learned about that bolt. :)
     
  14. lear60man

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    Open offer, when you get your fuse box back, you are more than welcome to take a look at mine. The directions are good but seeing the whole picture is priceless.
     
  15. 1TRICK6

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    Back on the rode again. Thanks everyone again for the advice.

    Christian,
    I will take you up on that offer soon.
    Thanks.
    Jim
     

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