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Have some F40 LM questions....LM gurus come in.

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  1. SSNISTR

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    #1 SSNISTR, Jun 11, 2009
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    Been doing a little research to add to my F40 "knowledge". Some things I'm finding multiple information on and could use a little help.

    1) Horsepower: (normal power without restricters, but I'm not talking if the boost was cranked up for certain race or something of that nature where it can be around 900 for a short time.) I have read 720 and 760, the latter being the more common answer on QV500. So is it 760 horsepower?

    2) Weight: Is it about 2400 or 2300 pounds? Seems to be right around 2315 pounds, correct?

    3) 0-60 mph: 3.1 seconds, yes?

    4) Top speed: Is it 228 mph or 229 mph?

    5) Also I know 19 were built, and 3 raced between 1989-1994. But was there any "prototype" LM's or was the "test car" made into one of the 19?

    6) Finally, I know 2 USA spec cars where made into LM's and renamed. Where the remaining 17 all Euro spec cars that were converted or were some made outright as LM's from day one?

    Thanks so much for any help!
     
  2. amenasce

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    Well HP really depends on the size of the restrictors..So it varies from Championships to Championships. The figure i remember when the car was introduced was 720hp though.
     
  3. SSNISTR

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    Yeah I thought that too, but that seems to be with the restrictors in, without it seems to be 760.

    See this link :http://www.qv500.com/ferrarif40p2.php
     
  4. joe sackey

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    The test car was in fact made into one of the 19 and for some reason I used to think otherwise and cite 18.

    Also note F40 LM 74045 raced till 1996 (Le Mans), not 1994.

    I think all LMs basically started off as F40s (whether USA cars or RoW cars).

    I think you pretty much have it down...
     
  5. joe sackey

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    I should add that I have personally noticed some detail variation in configuration and specification amongst the LMs...
     
  6. SSNISTR

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    Cool, thanks Joe.

    Now when a road car was converted to a LM, which as you say they all were technically. I assume the paperwork and what not is all changed and it is officially an LM? So you can tell a real LM via the paperwork/VIN/etc?
     
  7. SSNISTR

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    Oh yeah, just by looking at images I can tell that too. It seems like almost all 19 had something visually different about them from car to car. Nothing major, but something. Plus I would assume that over the years the cars might have had things tweaked as well.
     
  8. dan360

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    I have also heard about "late" cars being made - I think there may be a couple of post 2000 cars specially made by Michelotto like there were with the 333sp, where you can have number 43 of 39 made.
     
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    I think you're thinking of GTE's. I know one was made in 1998. But that is an official car.
     
  10. joe sackey

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    I LOVE that about Italy.

    10 built, 13 surviving.

    The romance of it all...
     
  11. joe sackey

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    I think you simply have Michelotto paperwork on top of the original paperwork and now the the 19 original cars are well-established.
     
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    I should make a difference between the LM's produced for racing, some including the first two cars for Pozzi in Paris were made to really compete, what I should call competition LM's, then some have been produced only for importer, customers,.... real and genuine LM's but not for race (and some still have less than 500 km), then some have been produced by michelotto (and all of them are coming with their michelotto production data sheet) such as the GT and GTE with full or even better specs than LM's (3.5 or 3.6 liters engine, carbon brakes...) and again some were for competition and some only for show!
    Not easy in such case to know what we are talking about!
     
  13. SSNISTR

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    There are 13 333SP's?
     
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    Got ya, so the Michelotto paperwork basically supercedes the original.
     
  15. SSNISTR

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    Yup, out of all 19 LM's from what I read only 3 were actually raced.
     
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    You missed the joke...
    but there are 40 333-SP's (and I am looking for purchasing one of them......see my thread)

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  17. SSNISTR

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    I was on my Black Berry, so it's a small screen LOL.

    Wow, 40 333SP's....had no idea.


    Anyway, back on topic. Anybody have more information on LM's?
     
  18. SSNISTR

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    Okay, I have a few more questions I can't find the answers to.

    1) What was the LM's torque rating, all I could find was one site that said 521. But that might be with the restrictors in?
    2) What are the tire sizes? I know they are 17's and "wider" then stock. But what was the rear size for example. All I know it that it is larger then 335.
    3) What was the original asking price? And what was the highest private sale price of an LM. I think the recent $1.3 million one was the highest, yes?

    Again thanks to all who can help.





    From this thread, and some more research I was able to get some good answers to my first batch of questions. Thanks.

    1) Horsepower does seen to be 760.
    2) Weight does seem to be about 2300 pounds.
    3) 0-60 mph does seem to be 3.1 seconds.
    4) Top speed looks to be 229 mph.
    5) Cars were made from 1989-1994, 19 total, 3 raced. The "prototype" was one of the 19.
    6) 2 were made from USA cars, the rest were all based from Euro cars.

    Maybe this information will help out someone else as well when they search.
     
  19. joe sackey

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    Ryan:

    You seem to be there.

    Ive seen varied torque ratings from 511 to 580 nm so you can take that for what its worth considering the cars are not production cars per se with uniform specification, but rather, they are Speciales to LM spec by Michelotto on behalf of Ferrari.

    Wheel & tire variances will be almost unlimited but I thought (without personal verification) that the rears were a 350 series.

    I have no idea what the original customers were invoiced. It wasn't as if there was an MSRP or anything like that. It was a matter of "if you have to ask...." and you'll note most of the original owners had considerable resources and just wanted one no matter what even though they had no intention of racing them. Yes, $1,300,000 US is the top number in a public auction Im aware of.

    The fact that many of them were not raced may not be such a bad thing, because now there are 19 F40 LMs that are relatively fresh and without stories (the 3 that raced in the period have in fact been comprehensively restored), and it is my belief that many of the cars will go on to be raced in the future as people discover what a potent racing machine they represent.
     
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    I never heard of a "350" size tire, I'm assuming that's a slick tire. Either way, that is WIDE.

    Joe, thanks so much.
     
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    Ryan: slicks were the intended spec for the LM and as I said I have not personally verified the size of the rear tires as the cars were originally supplied. Could be 345 and again this is one of the spec variances that appears throughout the series.
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    Thanks Joe, either way they surely are wider then the road cars 335's. I think slicks are rated differently then treaded tires. Like a road tire would be a "335", while a slick might be "14" for inches for example.

    Anyone have any other info on LM rear tire sizes?

    Thanks.
     
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    One more thing LM guru's.

    Horsepower:
    Been doing a little more research on the 'net and it seems like the high boost setting was used a lot during qualifying, so that gives three different power settings.

    1) With restrictors: about 720 horsepower
    2) Without restrictors: about 760 horsepower
    3) High boost setting: about 900 horsepower

    Are these all about right?

    Thanks!
     
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    Hi, tires size for the F40LM, as reported in "L'année Ferrari 1989" were:
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    Front: 315/620 - 17
    Rear: 375/695 - 17
    Article was written by Pierre Dieudonné, who also participated to the development.

    Such size is confirmed in the F40 "bible": Cavalleria number 5 on F40LM. The book is rare and out of stock, but you can find it on the web from time to time.
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