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Has anyone successfully pulled codes from a AIRBAG light?

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  1. Eric C

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    #1 Eric C, May 19, 2014
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    Hello Fchatters,

    My Airbag light popped on while driving the other day. I don’t have any battery or voltage issues. Before I start blindly throwing parts at it, I’d like to manually pull the airbag codes to verify what’s actually wrong.

    I’ve followed the workshop manual to the best of my ability, but I can’t get the codes to pull.

    This really has me baffled. There is two plugs behind the passenger access panel (plug with yellow sleeved wire leads). The workshop manual shows a 3rd wire at the diagnostic plug on the non-US cars and says you can short this to ground to reset the system...but while there is a 3rd pin on the US cars, there is no wire on it. I've tried grounding the other two pins with no effect.

    Has anyone been able to successfully do this on a US car?
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    #2 drbob101, May 19, 2014
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    There are no OBD codes for the airbag light. The fault can only be seen with SD-1.

    I had mine cleared using an SD-1
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    #3 Eric C, May 19, 2014
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    I wasn't referring to a OBD code. According to the workshop manual, the codes can be pulled manually. Refer to attached picture.

    It tells you to short circuit PIN #1 to ground for 1-5 seconds, then release. This will trigger the code sequence. Short circuiting PIN #1 to gound for 5-10 seconds will clear the codes.

    Lamp check : Fault

    1: None (the lamp switches on for about 4 seconds, when ignition key is put in position”II”)

    2: Faulty sensor

    3: Airbag starting circuit short-circuited towards battery +

    4: Airbag starting circuit short-circuited towards ground +

    5: Wrong driver’s side airbag resistance

    6: Wrong passenger’s side airbag resistance

    7: Low battery voltage

    8: Faulty light or circuits

    9 Stored crash data

    After the last fault, the first one is shown again.

    The faults can be cancelled (apart from no. 9) by short circuiting the pin no. 1 of the diagnostics socket connector towards earth for a time between 5 and 10 seconds.

    If the fault no 2. (ECU inner failure) disappears, the sensor resets.
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    Hi Eric

    the most common thing is the resistance of the airbag itself goes out of spec

    I cant remember off the top of my head but if you measure across the terminals it should be 10-ohms resistance. If it is not there the light comes on.

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  5. Eric C

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    I was hoping to pull the codes to keep from pulling the car apart.
     
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    Oh sorry I misunderstood :) Try to pull the codes I have done it many times on other cars pretty simple if it works. I use a SRS reader on most newer cars. Never did my 355
     
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    Eric,

    If you look at the image I posted above, that is a screen shot of the sd2 air bag fault unit from my cars diagnosis.

    You'll note that the codes at the top line up with the code descriptions you posted from the WSM. The WSM is talking about seeing the codes in the SD2 and working with that screen to clear them.

    I would take the car to a facility with an sd2 and see if they will check the codes and clear them for you. I had it done for free and the light has not come back on in over a year.
     
  8. Eric C

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    Is a SD2 reader Ferrari specific? My nearest Ferrari dealer is 4 hours away.

    I'm still confused about the workshop manual. It clearly states the process for pulling the codes, reading them and clearing them. The number before the description indicates how many times the bulb flashes.

    Thanks for the help.
     
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    It is a Ferrari proprietary system but indi shops can buy it also. Check your local shops to see if they have it.
     
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    You can even ground an OBD2 and erase codes its just a ground to said terminal

    Give it a go just make sure it's the correct terminal :)
     
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    I think I found the answer as to why my car can't be manually "scanned"

     
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    FYI, other off brand tools are out there that do work for Ferrari other than SDx...

    It's possible an independant shop would have something.
     
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    Are any of these off brand devices affordable?
     
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    I was told this company was developing one for personal use for $5k

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    Will my bluetooth/Torque app not read the Airbag Codes? I've read that they will read/clear the engine fault codes without an issue.
     
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    A constantly ON light can also mean a fried airbag module. Mid 90's Ferrari's and some other vehicles are prone to airbag ECU failure if the voltage drops too low during cranking, as the airbag ECU is in the process of charging up a large internal capacitor to fire the airbags if you lose the battery in a crash. A good habit to adopt when starting the car (355s, 456s, 550s, 575s) is turn the key to ON, but not yet to start. Wait a good 20 seconds or so for the airbag and any other lamps to turn off before cranking the engine. If you suspect your battery is low, then don't even try cranking without either charging it or applying a jumper battery. Replacing the airbag ECU is not cheap. I know!
     
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    We actially have a scanner that we use in the shop for quick jobs and clearing codes when more sophisticated disgnostics aren't needed, it gets into ALL MODULES on ALL CARS , best part , we only paid $299.00 for it. I have never been let down by it, there have been times when my best scanners will not communicate and this particular scanner will. Too bad eric c told me my comments are not welcome, i'd share the name of it otherwise.


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    John, do you think it's possible for you to post some merit and purpose for being here? If you have nothing to contribute, please go away.

    Thank you.
     
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    Geez, dude just cough up the name already.
     
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    Sd1/2 or the Leonardo are the only tools as far as I know that will pull codes from a Ferrari for the aigbag ecu.

    Generic scan tools may give you an engine code from 1 ecu, but not the other. You could have a fault stored in the slave ecu that trips the light, but you will not be able to read or clear the code.

    Some generic scan tools also interpret the information incorrectly, which can send you on a wild goose chase, costing you money and time.

    Airbag systems are almost all manufacturer specific. In order to correctly read, repair and clear the faults, you need to have the correct scan tool and soft wear, and that in no way shape or form costs $299.00 for something that is even remotely reliable.

    Yes I have a cheapo scan tool that will get into almost anything. Would I trust what it tells me? Not on your life. That scan tool is used only to reset oil service indicators, and I think I paid $299 bucks just for that.
     
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    #22 driveitdaily, Jul 22, 2014
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    No where in the forum rules does it say you can only , or need , post useful info.And i did post useful info , i stated threre is a simple unidirectional scan tool out there that will accees the airbag module for cheap ( i judt didnt day which one, condider it a trade secret)


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    A trade secret for a generic scan tool? Really John...

    Whats with the "tude"?
     
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    #24 driveitdaily, Jul 22, 2014
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    Bob , "the tude" has to do with eric c having no sense of humor , telling me my comments about something , i dont rember what, were unwelcome , what he didnt consider was the fact that i now hold the answer to his question .
    Daverocks says i never post snything useful, bob , i remember i gave you some useful info about that nifty little infrared temp tool when you were dealing with your header problem.

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  25. taz355

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    Bob when they cleared your airbag code where were they plugged in. To the standard obd2 port or the airbag cable under the pass footrest. Thanks
     

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