Has anyone actually seen ppf removal pull factory paint?

I believe that it has to do with the time between fresh paint and the application of the protective film. I had some paintwork done to my daily driver, the company that installed the ppf required 3 weeks post paintwork to give the paint time to cure. I have seen it happen in videos, not in person.

 

I was told it directly from the owner of the same name car detailing company that does special cars on this site. Said that it is not uncommon for him and no one in the industry will warranty removal of PPF without lifting. Not sure the purpose of the question - just curious or inferring a myth of some sort.

 

Happened to me on my 2012 458. Local well regarded PPF company was removing original PPF on the hood and pulled off the clear coat around the hood badge and on an edge of the hood. Needed a respray and costs me double the cost of PPF alone.

 

I pulled mine off the 355 and Gallardo - No issues

 

Yes happened on my 458. Real minor but it happened. Also happened on my F12. Again, super minor but still happened. I'm probably gonna sell both before taking the ppf off.

 

yes

 

I've seen pics from a member here where it took off big patches of their clearcoat. Major respray $$$.

 

Yes.

I've seen it remove a business card chunk of paint off a 250 Lusso right by the nose badge.

 

+1 Yes.

I know someone that had an F430 where it took so much clear off the front, everything forward of the windshield had to be resprayed. It's terrifying.

 

I've had it happen to me on a few occasions. On both factory painted cars and resprayed cars (mostly Ferraris, but the odd Porsche as well)

I own/operate a detailing facility here in Canada, and to echo the comment above, would never warranty ANY removal prior to taking film off. There are some methods that work better than others but sometimes there is just no way to avoid it.

Most success I have had is parking the car in direct hot sunlight, and have a kettle ready with boiling water. GO SLOWLY. In the winter here, we will used steam and boiling water as well.

Hope that helps, if you tell us exactly what car you're working on, I can best try and advise as well I'm sure any established detailer can as well. But we will all agree, PPF removal is a pain in the ass no matter how you approach it.

 

Yes

 

Happened to me on my 430 with original paint. Know of at least two other 430's in my area that this happened to as well. When the front end was being prepped (i.e. old paint being sanded), you could peel the paint off with your thumbnail in the area adjacent to the front boot seal.

 

So, what is the purpose in applying PPF to protect the paint if there is high probability that it will pull the paint when removing?

 

My question as well!

I have full PPF on several cars. Is it better to just do a ceramic coating?


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Most of the paint peeling from removal of PPF has occurred on older cars. At least that has been my experience. I'm NOT saying it can't happen on newer cars. Ferrari paint has been an issue for some time, although this is not just relegated to Ferrari's as others have failed as well.

Ceramic coating is not a substitute for PPF. Coatings do not have the "impact" capabilities that PPF has. Coatings shed water and keep the paint cleaner than if no coating is applied (i.e. easier to clean the car of road debris, bugs, bird droppings, etc.). IMHO rock chips suck because they "pit" the paint although they can be repaired but it takes some knowledge/skill to do it well.

You probably already know this so I'm stating the obvious. I have PPF on my vehicles and it has saved the day and I'll continue to use it and hope it doesn't peel the paint if/when I have it replaced. Just my opinion....

 

A number of years ago, I had a 2004 GT3 on consignment with PPF installed when the car was new.

It was in terrible shape and the consignor agreed that it needed to be removed. However, he was told that there is a strong likelihood that the paint would be damaged during the removal.

Sure enough, it was removed (professionally by the shop that regularly applies PPF) and a bunch of paint came off. Needed to be resprayed.

He was cool about it, but I’ll never forget it.

 

I guess just wait until it yellows or starts looking bad?


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Most manufacturers of PPF claim a 10 year warranty. Although I have no reason to doubt them, I wouldn't wait until it yellows or starts looking bad. It may not yellow and it will depend on how much debris you encounter when driving or how the car is stored (if it is). I'm more apt to change it sooner rather than waiting. If you wait until it turns yellow, it could be much harder to remove. If it's going to peel paint, I don't think it matters if it's 1 year old or 10 years old when you remove it.

Again, I tend to look at PPF as a temporary covering and treat it as a consumable; much like tires. Just my opinion.

 

My opinion is old PPF hardens to the body and has a higher chance of pulling paint. The solution is to use PPF sparingly. It is excellent for where you know chips will occur but don't leave it parked a lot in the sun and replace in a few years depending on exposure. If the car is garage kept and little used like most new Ferraris then just do the front end. If a garage queen then consider just the front bumper. If you have a hypercar then none at all.

Also, I'd wait 6 mo. on a new car before applying PPF. Lots of new cars have had paintwork at the port so applying PPF on what is essentially fresh paint may be causing a lot of the issues. I would not recommend those semipermanent ceramics on raw paint unless its just a DD.

 

All I do is PPF the front bumper and a few other chip prone areas and. Ceramic coat the rest of my car.. i never sawthe point of PPF except maybe a track car.

 

Waiting is a conundrum. I waited for one and ended up with some chips.

I do full PPF since I have even had some chips in the past on the door…. Besides, I really hate seams.

I understand treating it as a consumable. Do you just schedule routinely? Every 5 years or so? Cars are garage kept and not DD…


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Yes, took off a business card sized spot of clearcoat on my Panamera. Prefer that didn't happen, but a quick detour to the detailer's preferred body shop, and all is good. It's only paint.