Hammi's Japanese Win under Investigation.

And on another thread someone was wandering why Bernie wants to pull all the clips from Youtube. Now we know why. I think that IF FOUND GUILTY 10 grid positions would be the least they should give him.
Sending him to the back, like Schumi in Monaco, would be more appropriate. I personally would like them to revoke his points from the race. Not because I believe that it would be the most fair punishment, but simply because it would make the last two races that much more interesting. Then the season would be like the Fuji race. Total boredom until the last few laps.

 

what a load of rubbish.

he simply took a different line through the corner than the SC - and HAD to brake to save going past it.

 

Whenever the safety car was out LH was brake checking the field. As I watched I wondered if he was trying to get whomever was behind him, Alonso in the beginning and Weber later to pass and incur a penalty. Or maybe cause Massa or Kimi to screw up and get a penalty of some sort.

 

actually if you read the posts rather than glance at them you would be aware that Bernie et al seem to try and have ALL the current yrs clips pulled from youtube.


the Kubica accident disappeared quite quickly as i recall.

 

sorry Brian i wasnt digging at you, just the thing you quoted.

 

i. its the leading drivers perogative to control the snake

ii. LH has claimed he was trying to keep his brakes warm and not to glaze them (something to do with the pads fitted)

iii. LH has also claimed that he radio'd and asked for MW to be told not to get so close (or something like that)

 

Google "copyright", read about it, then come back to this forum and rethink what you just said.

 

More political BS.

 

Apparently sarcasm is not part of your vocabulary.
To me this whole season is a big joke and I'll laugh at whatever else I can for the remaining port of it, because otherwise I feel like crying. The FIA has made total idiots out of them selfs this year, time and time again. The crying matter is that apparently we are even bigger idiots to keep up with their **** and continue pour $$$$ in their accounts.

 

and your post wasnt in the slightest bit sarcastic.
you made a point then went on a tirade - that isnt sarcasm

 

Sorry, man it was meant to be. I don't have a major in english literature and speak the language from 12years ago. I also learned it on the streets not in school. I still think I am doing pretty good considering.

 

I say take all of Lewis's points from Japan. I didnt see the video and dont care because he must be guilty simply because his car is half McCheater. Viva la Ferrari!!

 

From Autosport:

"Formula One's regulations dictate that the race leader must keep a standard distance behind the safety car until the lap before it is due to come into the pits.

Article 40.10 of the F1 Sporting Regulations states: "The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him. Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within 5 car lengths of it."




Can't say that no harm was done by his actions. He broke the rules and caused exactly what the rule was design to avoid. Brake pads were glazing? Too bad, that's your problem, not MW or SV. If you're equipment can't handle it you alone have to bare the burden. Either crash or quit. That's just one of the challenges of racing. You can't ask other drivers to "stay behind" because you want to have every advantage possible and keep your brakes up to temp, but more importantly you cannot put other drivers lives at risk because of it.

IMO he was doing this to force other drivers to stay behind. I don't buy that brakes glazing story. It was the same for everyone. If you can't race within the rules because your equipment isn't up to the challenge, you don't deserve to win.

 

I 100% agree with you, but I don't think Hamilton was intentionally doing anything wrong. Maybe just a lapse in judgement. And no, I am by no means a fan of Hamilton. I'd love to see him penalized. Just being fair.

 

It's a tuff one .. was LH taking a different line around the corner and nothing more to it? was there a bit of gamesmanship involved, as always when the safety car is out? were the conditions more to blame for the accident than anything else? or did LH's actions directly contribute to the incident?

The video for me in inconclussive and it wudnt surprise me if the FIA came to the same conclussion, but then this is F1 and there have been howls of complaints (for me justifiably so) that a driver in a "suspect" car will win the WDC; so I'm not about to rule anything out (how's that for sitting on the fence). Either way this just adds to the sorry debarcle that this years championship has become.

Maybe they shud just cancel the season and say the lawyers won, and try again next year.

 

When they write the rules for F1, FIA, and Safety Car....do you think they were talking about a day with 4 inches of rain and standing water on the track?

Do you think the rules that says- "5 car lengths behind the Safety Car" was thinking about how exotic brake material reacts to driving through rivers of water?

I'd say that if you took this into consideration while writing the rules....then fine, but I don't think they did. So leave the racing to the guys on the track please.

 

I do, but not necessarily this incident. LH was most definitely fncking with Alonso every safety car period to the point where Alonso was having to worry about the guy behind him.

Now when the safety car lights are out and racing is about to restart, yeah play the games but every other lap should be controlled. We need to remember the purpose of the safety car, ie: the track is dangerous or corner workers are clearing up a mess ... they do not need to be worrying about some *****head driver playing games while they are doing their job.

But LH will not be penalised ...
Pete

 

Mark,

Safety car means full course yellow that means NO RACING ...

Pete

 

Yes....but that's the trick isn't it? There is that moment when the racing will start again.

How do you keep tire and brake temps up, when you are underwater? I don't think the rules were written for the amount of rain we saw and the newest exotic materials used in the brake disc.

I'm just saying, some common sense has to be factored in at some point.... it was a race underwater
not a laywer in a court room with a slow motion camera second-guessing everything.


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I don't think he needs to be punished it wasn't his fault Vettel rammed into the back of Webber. But then again I don't really care this season is wasted anyways so let Bernie do what he wants to make his money and lets get to next season.

 

Get over it. People are taking PRIVATE video, and posting it for no profit.

 

Highway code.....you are responsible for any accident if you are behind the person you hit.....your responsibility to regulate your speed regardless of what happens ahead of you. Hamilton's move shows that he was expecting someone to be careless from the rear...and he was right.

 

1. Yes they do. Rain is nothing new to this sport.

2. Doesn't matter. It was the same for everyone. I didn't see other drivers doing what Hamilton was doing. If the equipment can't handle the environment, then it's not up to the challenge. You can't expect the rule makers to adjust the rules because one team wants to use brake materials that don't work well in the rain. It doesn't work that way. In fact, it works exactly the other way around. The FIA lays down the Formula (the challenge), named "1", and the teams compete to see who can make the fastest car within that Formula. If a brake material glazes in the cold to the extent that it could cause total brake failure, then the FIA is 1,000,000 times more likely to ban that material than to change a rule.

Obviously Hamilton was on some super rare brake material that doesn't work well in the rain, and Mclaren made that choice of brake material despite setting up the rest of the car to a RAIN setting, or Hamilton is full of ****. I'll take the latter thank you very much.