It's clear that Alonso's car did come crashing down on the cockpit area of LeClerc's Sauber. So, yeah . . . .
AND The halo deflected the tire up and to the front...remember that the Sauber was not standing at that moment but still driving so the whole car and that also includes Leclerc´s head were moving TOWARDS the tire. So there is still a good chance that he would have hit the tire with his head without the halo changing its direction.... The halo might be ugly but I guess Leclerc is not against it anymore since this weekend!
My time with the military, back in the 60s, taught me that a tank is the second worst place to be in case of conflict. Thje first one being a submarine.
Like any sport the game evolves, safety is demanded... lets look at Football, Hockey, baseball....to name a few All have evolved to make the sport safer, and the sport is better for it, faster and more competitive This too shall pass with all the naysayers in a couple years of evolution with the halo in place
If you disagree with my post, and think it is insulting, I hope you have reported it as you should. So, I wait the call from the moderators on the subject, and will accept their verdict. In the meantime, please allow me to have my own opinions.
To say he would have enjoyed people being crushed and burnt has nothing to do with "your opinion"!!!!! Gesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
It's my way to illustrate what I wanted to say: by shocking my interlocutor. It may be gorry to you, but it goes straight to the point. If you are not ready to back safety concerns, you should accept the consequences. My God Singhof, I hope you didn't faint reading this !!!
Accepting or wanting the sport to remain to some degree dangerous... and wanting to see people killed or injured - there is actually a giant distinction between the two. To suggest people that are against the Halo want to see people injured - not remotely fair imo.
You permit yourself a lot by writing these comments, young man.... If you believe I would get any satisfaction from reading about drivers being killed in F1, you are more than confused. I won't even discuss further on this matter with you. You wouldn't understand.
You do not have to address me as your god, Peter would do But be assured, nothing you can say here will ever make me faint...I still thinks it is insulting and obviously I am not the only one that believes that you adopt the wrong tone!
I am 70 this fall, and far from being a "Young man" ! Anyway, questioning why drivers needed protection was quite insensitive. Also by suggesting that bringing new safety rules was a disgrace to the sport, you did set the tone and you could only expect a stern rebuke. I marshalled at motor racing events when it was far more dangerous, and picked up casualties that could have been saved. I lost a few friends. too Like most sensible people, I welcomed every effort made to make it less lethal. Coming last in the long list of safety features introduced in the last few decades, the halo (with all his imperfection) is an genuine attempt to save more lives.. To trivialise safety is really beyond comprehension.; it's all I have to say on the matter.
Did you report me as I told you? Singhof, I am going to propose you as moderator. You know what us Brits say: " If the cap fits, wear it !"
Why would I, you did not insult me...so if "The Strad" is OK with this... I think that you do not even realize that you imply that he is not "a sensible person"... For some reasons this is how all your discussions end...you say your opinion and basically close with "period". Why do you actually post in this forum if you are not interested in other people´s opinion as they are always wrong and you are always right? It somehow always ends in your monologues...
Facts can be argued, but an opinion is not up for discussion. I hear other people's opinions, but I won't take them on board: I have mine ! Would you spend time discussing fire prevention, for example, with someone who doesn't believe in the need for a fire brigade? There come a point when no further exchange is possible at a polite level, and it's most sensible to end the conversation. I hate people who try to convince me of anything; they get nowhere. . I noticed that a few people share my points of view on different subjects on this forum though .... So don't try to make it that I am some sort of lunatic who doesn't know what he is talking about !
Interesting take on "discussions". You will listen to other peoples opinion but they will never ever change yours, no matter how good their arguments might be... So what is the sense to have a discussion? Only killing time? Good for you when a few people share your view, maybe you can "discuss" with them in future As you Brits say:
You can clearly see the tyre missed the side bolster where LeC is sitting in the 2nd picture, that's even more proof the Halo did nothing. He was hit on the top of his head from a bouncing tyre, the gap in the Halo would do nothing to stop that accident. Tyre tethers would of prevented that death.
I propose that science is much better than myth. The science appears to show that the Halo did nothing in this case. If others like myth, they are welcome to it. There is no question that Halo could save lives. The question is -- did it in this case. The evidence is pretty clear that's a "no". What we should thank is the CF tub and roll bar. THAT is what saved both of their lives. Here is the irony of added safety measures. If this accident occurred in the 70's, for sure we would have 2 or 3 dead or seriously injured people today. The irony is that an accident like this probably would never have happened because drivers KNEW such a move by Hulkenberg would have been fatal -- and probably to him. Drivers drive a lot more faster and a lot more aggressively now because of the added safety. We, as spectators, like it and we like risk and reward. The more we watch, the more risks they take. The very definition of irony: Increased safety drives more unsafe driving maneuvers.
Well said. I also feel drivers themselves become less safe in their behavior when the consequences for their mistakes are mitigated by clumsy intrusions into the race car's design that may give them a false sense of security. The Halo may...MAY have saved Leclerc from injury...and it if had been in use in the past it may have done nothing in Senna's crash or in Massa's being hit by a flying object. I am thankful whenever a crash happens and the driver walks away. Perhaps harsher penalties for reckless driving would be more in order. All that said, my own racing was limited to vintage racing a couple of Alfas and I deeply loved my competition harness, roll bar, fuel cell and helmet.
