GTO Spyder for sale

I don't see removing points for electronic ignition as being bad, or in putting modern tires or batteries. Even internal engine performance like pistons, cams or even shocks is no big deal to me, but the body is a big deal. It is what it is, why be something it isn't?

 

"Holy rebuild Batman!" It's one of Lord Brocket's cars! Is anything on the car actually "real"?

 

Chassis apparently and engine....the narritive did not say that it was one of the cars cut up by Brocket, but only that he once owned it...Meade modified it anyway...covered head lights...so, what do the purists think?

 

I am not a great fan of S.2 Cabriolets but this car is *UGLY* beyond description! It deserves to be restored with original nose.

 

Aesthetically, very nice. Gives a bland front end some pizzazz.

Did anyone check out the Lambo 350 GT on the same dealer's page?

 

A Viennese Straus waltz is not such if not written by Straus, a van Gogh painting of sunflowers or a Dutch windmill is not a van Gogh if not painted by van Gogh, a Carrera marble statue of David is not a Michelangelo if not carved by Michelangelo, a genuine Ferrari is not a Ferrari if not designed, assembled and sold by Ferrari. It becomes a hotrod. I have no problem with hotrods, my wife loves '23 Ford T-buckets, but they were not designed, assembled and sold by Henry Ford. This GTO spyder is a hotrod, good , bad, or indifferent.
Ed

 

Totally agree.

I wonder whether some of the Sultan of Brunei's cars could be tagged "Hotrods" as well? Like the 456 Venice or the TR FX.

 

Sultan s Brunei, is the good example.
Ferrari makes for him 4 doors.... and others concept,
where are the values of Ferrari in this case...

 

Funny double standard, but you're right of course.

However did the factory really build the Sultan's cars or some other shop around Modena/Maranello? Would they still be considered "factory" or hotrods? Not to hijack the thread and talk about the Sultan's cars. The question is more where do you draw the line between "officially modified Ferrari" and hotrod?

 

we have same taste, but not the same values.

 

This may be a bit simplistic but surely, a Ferrari is a Ferrari if the factory has ordered / authorised the bodywork irespective of who actualy made it, after all Ferrari pretty much outsourced all its bodywork up until the 1960's, and the design has almost always been done by an outside designer

Personaly I dont like the cut up 250's.........but do understand why it happens and see newer 70's/80's cars being parted out and cut up every day for the same sort of reasons (not financialy viable to restore)

 

Zagato designs are for an acquired taste, which I don't have, but that's besides the point.

Although Zagato might have a better name than e.g. Norwood to me that is still a hotrod since the factory had no involvement. We shouldn't get all misty eyed by the fact that it is done by another Italian from the hood.

Andrew brings up an interesting point: Ferrari outsources a lot of its bodywork anyway, so if a shop like Pininfarina modifies an existing Ferrari, is that then hotrodding or legit? Or is it only legit if Ferrari gave them (or whomever) the order? Point in case: I'm not sure who ordered the Sultan's cars. He might have just talked to Pininfarina without Ferrari's input (I simply don't know). Somehow a Frank Williams F1 paddle shift doesn't seem to be something the factory would give its blessings.

Personally I find this discussion somewhat academic.

 

Rob,

I have to agree with you, it's UGLY! The 250 GT SWB was a much nicer design. So would anyone have a problem having this car changed back to its original body? I doubt you're going to find a period SWB body to use so it would have to a modern rebody.

 

I must say that I'm astonished by how passionate some of us are! The're just cars--let's not start another jihad!

That having been said, I wonder how we feel about the famous (infamous?) Nembo S/N 1777? Does its design success exempt it from vituperation? How about the Nembo that Tom Meade built for Bill Dixon on a SWB chassis (sorry, don't remember the S/N)? Not quite as pretty, but jees, there went another SWB!

The good news is that I think (not sure) that both cars were wrecked before Tom had those bodies built.

How about Tom's Thomassima, which made the cover of R&t (and which Tom swears he still has!)?

Shades of gray, folks! Comments?

 

Mr Ed Niles himself, a pleasure.


its a question of "Jihad or Fachist" arguments! i put in this thread two raisons, and i m feel surprise that nobody tries to correct or give a positive reply.

First: Ferrari have one of the most beautifull Palmares in the world, Ferrari it s like a "religion", but be objective a second, Ferrari is the best car in world... AND SO WHAT?

Second: we have same taste, but not the same values.

Now people, try to understand what i m writing, if you don t understand what i m saying i can do nothing for you.

 

I've often wondered about the double standard that seems to run throughout the collector car world regarding modifications of coachwork. If Ferrari rebodies a car, then it's a glorious thing to behold. If the exact same thing is done by Joe Smith in Bugwhistle, Idaho, it's considered a hack job. If Nembo or Drogo did it, then it has greater credibility than Joe Smith, but less than if Ferrari did the same thing. If Tom Meade did it, then it's probably somewhere between Joe Smith and Drogo. But if Joe Smith keeps making enough glorious creations to bring about some notariety, then the collector car world will take more notice. It smells more of snobbery and less of actual appreciation for the automotive work of art in question.

And I love to anty up for consideration: the Bosley auto. A one-off creation made of fiberglass in the early 50s and hemi powered. It ranked a big article in Road & Track itself. Is a beautiful one-off creation made by Joe in his back yard actually as "good" as a one-off by Ferrari? I smell snobbery.

 

Zagato did a much better job on the Fiat parked behind it in the first photo!

 

Wrong. NONE of the Sultan's cars was done by the Ferrari factory in Maranello. They were ALL built by Pininfarina in Torino in their special departement. The factory delivered complete cars to Pininfarina and they were all converted there. Not by the Ferrari factory.
Marcel Massini

 

Ferrari has never rebodied a car. Rebodies were always executed by coachbuilders from Allemano to Zagato, outside the Ferrari factory.
Marcel Massini

 

Then that just proves the double standard. If Zagato did it, then it's great. If Joe did it in his back yard, it's bad. Why the great accolades for one above the other if neither one was done, or authorized by the actual company that build the original car? Aren't they both just automotive butchery in the minds of the purist?

 

I agree. Zagato is just another hotrodder and I see no difference between his car (in Rob's pic below) and the 250 GTO Spyder.

Point in case: Imagine the outcry if the Zagato below actually had been done by Joe Schmoe in his backyard and he then put it on ebay for sale. No Nomex would be thick enough for the flames coming his way.