Getting some real wheels and tires on a 412...

What complete and utter diatribe, You just make up rubbish as you go along are you out of your mind how you think you can thinly disguise the fact that you have learned I dont have loads of dosh when ive actually told you ! you really must be thick belitlleing ones without the cash and pass them off as posers is farcical. Rich coming from someone with a bright yellow 355 now if that isnt a posers car then nothing is. You see you think your smart but you arent. You are just a tosser who isnt man enough to apologies like I am I can see right through you. Dickwad.

 

Oh, boy.

 

wanna borrow my car for a while, Jay?

 

May I suggest that this particular thread be concluded?
Greg

 

Good idea
apologies for all the agro.
Regards
Alastair

 

You know there's nothing like a couple of Ferrari owners in a pissing contest. I'm gone for a few months and ...what can I say...its a god damned soap opera of *****ing. Sorry, forgive me..I must have been tainted by the reading. Love to all. Dana

 

Certainly brightened up my day, cheers guys. Full Garage, yup your a lucky chap to have these cars but Alastair was spot on, both in his opinion and in his right to express his opinion on a public forum. It only gets annoying when someone harps on about the same thing over and over again.

I do not own a 400, I like them but I am not fanatical about them. If I was I may be a little unhappy at what you have done, making it look a tad like a posers car after all. With such a full garage I do envy you greatly though

Regards, Neil

 

Wow, I was gonna put 22s on mine but I guess I won't now.

 

Hi,

Did you know that BMW used TRX rubber on som of their M-cars.....and the good thing is that Michelin still makes them!! And at decent prices.

I use 240*45*415 from BMW M6 (635CSI) on my 1980 400i Spyder. Wider and lower. Not much but enough to look better imho. And much more modern pattern = silent.

Best regards
//RoB
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Very interesting, the Beamer tyres. I will check at my tires guy. I need 2 new rears and just have been offered CHF 700 (USD 815). Each... Even my 2007 M6 has cheaper Michelins.

 

He Rob,

You mean the actual tread pattern is different " And much more modern pattern " ?
Any change you could share a picture of that.

Oh and Ben. Yes the prices are very high for the real TRX tyres. As Michelin is the only supplier that can more or less ask what they want.

Regards, Peter

 

Here is a picture of the rear wheel.

All the best
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Hello Rob,

That does look more modern.
Do you know what the price is for these tyres ?
No idea how many BMW's are still around using these but maybe with bigger numbers that helps with the price.

Does anyone know how to calculate the perimeter (is that the right word?) so we could calculate what the difference is when driving (if the difference is to big the car has to rev higher for the same speed, or less (which given the torque is less of a problem).

Or if you can measure it I can do the same for the original TRX (have a brand new set stored).

No point going by the speed on the clock as that is hopelessly unreliable anyway.

Thanks, Peter

 

tire size calculators are on the web, here is one I haven't used...The difference between the TRX and a 245/50/16 tire is that the Inch tire is about 3% off in circumference (so an indicated 60mph really means the car is only going about 58mph). 245/45 tires end up with about double the disparity, so 245/50 is really the way to go....Unless you just want to speed up your 0-60 time Lee

whttp://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

 

I have made the assumption that Michelin would use a modern compound rather than mix up a batch of the old goo for those few who pester them about a tire they'd rather forget.
The Goodyears you bought are a "modest" tire, no?
I'm surprised by all this.

 

All the BMW TRX wheels are either hose reels or bar stools by now.

 

Hi all

I have no idea about the the compound i Goodyears, but having the BMW TRX's on my 400 and a set of original Ferrari TRX in the garage I can say that the compound in the BMW Michelins is not the same as the old Ferrari tires. The compound is significant softer and the feel of the surface is very much like the modern low profile tires we have on our daily driver.

They also feel very different to drive, partly because they are lower and wider (almost the same perimeter) with better stability, but mostly I think it is the threading and the softer compound.

I would certainly argue that there is a significant difference compared to the 30 years old Ferrari tires and may even go as far as arguing that Michelin used more modern compound in the later manufactored tires that what went into the original BMW tires.

My BMW tires are from 2006.

My 25 cents

 

Jay,

I have bought 4 new TRX tyres for my 400 and the ride on those is really good.

Michelin produces those tyres with the latest rubber compounds though. A family member is an engineer at the Michelin factory and he told me so. They run one batch of TRX tyres a year (on average if demand is high).

I believe the newer tyres you have are even better than today's TRX's though and makes your 412 drive even better, and it still looks very good I think with those wheels.

 

If I'm on the right path, I believe the 412 has ABS brakes which require a deeper dish wheel than for thr 400. So would the TR wheels "Fullgarage" used work on my 400? Would the deeper dish wheel fit in the wheel house of a 400? By the way I love the look and stance of your 412. I think the color keyed wheels are a perfect match to your car.I believe you made the right choice for wheels.

I have no interest in paying the bandido hold up prices of the TRX tires. We know that tire production costs are basicly the same either metric or inch. The tire molds have been amortised over ther 30 plus years these tires have been being used, if anything these tires should be much cheaper than new designed tires with current labor prices and mold costs. So who is really making the big bucks on these tires? It seems that Longstone and Coker are evenly priced factoring freight and taxes, so So I'm guessing the manufacturer is screwing their hostage customers. They say its because of limited production, and they are controling the production. I'm would never reccomend or purchase this brand of tire again, period.

Howard Musolf
1981 308gtsi
1982 400i Cabriolet
1988 Lotus Esprit Turbo
Maserati Spider
2 many brass era cars