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  1. deltona

    deltona Formula 3

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    The best source are the members on here that buy multiple new Ferrari and have contacts at the factory so when they visit the staff are more likely to be forthcoming with information.

    FNE (Ferrari Northern Europe) for example is really just a distributor with an allocation of cars to sell and not necessarily the most informed or truthful.

    When i requested about ordering a late build FF FNE told me the roof line wouldn't change for what became the GTC4Lusso. They either didn't know or wanted to shift another FF before production stopped.

    When i was told that the Panoramic roof became a must have option on late FF builds the alarm bells started ringing. I had a hunch that they were using up stock FF pan roofs as the roofline would actually change for the Lusso and it turned out i was right.
     
  2. Solid State

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    Does it make sense for a 'more aggressive version' to have the GT-ish Lusso interior changes (electronic screens and such) as been postulated? If yes, and the HP is less than the tdf (less than the tdf 38HP increase despite a bigger displacement?) then it would not be much of an offering (even for mid life) no matter how many flaps, gills and stripes they add. You might be basically looking at just RWS and upgraded brakes/electronics with no PF badge. IMO this model will have to compete for the next four years with the Aventador and (to a lesser degree) their own 488 times so should have at least the 800HP that's been reported.
     
  3. Tupps11

    Tupps11 Formula Junior

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    History and common sense lead me to believe that it has to have more power than the TDF. I mean, the F12 has more than the GTO and the 488 has way more than Speciale. Although the F12 was a complete replacement to the 599 GTO, the 488 is an evolution of the 458. Both cases...they always increase horsepower.

    I'm just looking at past examples though...No telling what the future holds.
     
  4. kingjr9000

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    Ferrari F12; Launch in 2019. Ferrari will cherish the twelve-cylinder to the end of his days and maintain. The ancestral home of the 6.3-liter unit is the F12, a charge is provisionally explicitly excluded. For the design of the second edition of the F12-transaxle coupes applies: more dynamic, more racetracks flair, more sports car genes, to more compact dimensions and less weight.
     
  5. simsko

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    Sounds like the tdf would be starting point instead of the f12b.
     
  6. Caeruleus11

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    +1 Deltona. I've found if you pay attention to the members here you can often get a pretty good idea of what's coming.
     
  7. Condor Man

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    The power and torque of a 918 is Ballistic!

    If the outgoing F12 merges it's existing power plant to a battery, then this car will be perfection!
     
  8. Nelsonc275

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    #133 Nelsonc275, Sep 12, 2016
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  9. Condor Man

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    I went to see my dealer today and he assured me that there will not be and kers style power.

    He did confirm $800+ HP and rear wheel steer. But definitely no kers.
     
  10. italiafan

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    Well I certainly hope that isn't even close...looks like the love-child of a Dodge Viper and a Mazda Miata!
     
  11. simsko

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    I like it. Looks like a mix of the new supra and superleggera touring f12.
     
  12. Traveller

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    #137 Traveller, Sep 13, 2016
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    I thought that was a given. The Kers system is still a way away from being usable for a DD. As I have posted before adding Kers in a mid life with all the changes that involves would be a non starter.
     
  13. Ferrari 360 CS

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    I think an entirely new car will be needed before KERS is added, there simply wouldn't be any place for the batteries in the current F12 platform.
     
  14. rockitman

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    yah...missing Pininfarina badly...
     
  15. Traveller

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    Indeed it will. Hence we can expect that in 2020/1 approx.
     
  16. Bamsefar

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    That rendering can't be true, just the aerodynamics surrounding a-pillar will be completely off. Never mind the Lexus style front and so on...
     
  17. Traveller

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    I suspect it is rubbish and its general 'look' does not coincide with what I have heard.
     
  18. -K1-

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    Its a rework of the 'Lusso' coach build that Touring Superleggera did on the F12
     
  19. BeefCake4000

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  20. -K1-

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    Yes even the colors are the same
     
  21. Bas

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    Could you elaborate?

    Personally I believe they'll get more aggressive with the F12m, but with GTC4Lusso style rear lights (certainly hope the latter, in any case!)
     
  22. MalibuGuy

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    The rendering looks absolutely awful. The over accentuated and unnecessary scoops look like an amateur design.

    If this is what Ferrari Design has created, then I'm not ordering.

    Ugly has just been redefined.
     
  23. ml321

    ml321 Formula Junior

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    it seems to need an awful lot of brake cooling .... 330mm discs

    this render does not look good
     
  24. Traveller

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    #149 Traveller, Sep 14, 2016
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    A friend of mine has just ordered an F12 for delivery March 2017 so that now means they will be producing them right up until Geneva.
     
  25. simsko

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    I'm guessing it was meant to say March 2017.
     

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