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FULL Cost of ownership, 1st 9 months-DIYer's Ferrari 360 gated on a budget

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  1. RedNeck

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    So I've had the car in my possession for over 9 months now and wanted to do a cost breakdown. This is obviously only my situation and will be different for everyone. I am a thorough pre-buy researcher and did some legwork to find some of these deals. The "ebay" purchases were genuine Ferrari or genuine OEM. All the work so far has been completed by me. I was also able to offset some of the cost by selling some unwanted things on my car, but also spent a bit extra because I replaced all of my interior carpet (Bordeaux to Nero). Georgia TAVT valued the car at $32k, which saved me from paying taxes on the full purchase price. I went through my PPI to fix the most pressing issues, and the car had a lot of major work done prior to me taking delivery of it (clutch, major, wheel bearings, etc.).

    That being said, the car had 54k miles upon purchase, limited history, and it was purchased from a small, Non-F dealer (it was one of the owner's personal cars, maintained by on-site mechanics). It had Challenge Wheels, Gruppe M exhaust, sport cats, and upgraded sound system. The exhaust remains (for now).

    These numbers include everything except interest paid on the loan, gas, and a few little things like touchup paint and the like. You'll see that on maintenance alone since delivery, I have netted $36!!:D Of course, my annual+ will be completed soon (not by me), which will wipe that out plus about $1500 :cool:

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  2. TODDZTR

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    Interesting real world first hand information. I'm sure some people will appreciate the cost tracking!

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  3. RedNeck

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    Thanks, just wanted to show that if you create a good situation with some time and effort, Ferrari ownership does not have to be as scary as some think. I've put a LOT of time into this car between work and research, so you also have gauge what your time is worth. Some folks here would be stupid to DIY as their time is worth more than what they would pay a shop to service their cars. Hope to be in that situation someday but not right now o_O
     
  4. HH11

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    Thanks for posting this. Nice to see someone do their own work and get to know the car.

    And awesome you're a little ahead!
     
  5. zipperkarting

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    Interesting post in my view.
    I bought a stock 360 Modena F1 in very nice condition but I have spent my time making it 'different' and special.
    Most of the interior is now carbon including carbon seats. I've just changed the stock suspension to AFCO race shocks and the wheels to Challenge with Michelin Sport tyres.
    Next is to remove the stock exhaust system and install sports tubular manifolds, sports cats full titanium silencers. I'm contemplating installing the Gruppe M induction too.
    What are the views of other members?
    I'm interested in making it special to me and not to enhance (or not) the future value.
    Should I keep the parts removed I wonder?
     
  6. 3POINT8

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    Wouldn't true cost need to reflect interest on loan, depreciation, gas/oil, insurance, etc. This seems only to tell half the story....
     
  7. RedNeck

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    #7 RedNeck, Sep 27, 2017
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    If you read the post, you'd see that insurance was included, and I have not had an annual as of yet, so no oil, and I'm not tracking gas... and there is most likely no depreciation as I bought the car under market value due to the work it needed, I would bet that here is most likely a little bit of appreciation due to the work and removal of undesirable options (Bordeaux carpet, etc.), but I would never speculate. This post was meant to be informative to people looking into DIY maintenance and the true nature of part pricing.

    Yes, definitely keep the original parts. When/if you go to sell, it seems that 1.) Most buyers prefer stock cars, and 2.) The aftermarket parts are usually worth more off the car than on. Aftermarket parts as a whole, don't bring much monetary value to the car.
     
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    I bought my 430 a little over a year ago, and all I'm out is the depreciation. It's not due in to the dealer for another four thousand miles, which might take three years. :)
     
  9. 3POINT8

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    ok so if insurance is included just needs depreciation, gas, and interest to get true costs.
     
  10. 3POINT8

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    if purchase price was $90k at 4% that would be $3,600.00 in interest.

    I was told that $500 depreciation a motion is standard or $6,000.00 a year.

    If you drove 50 miles a week at 8 miles a gallon at $3.00 per gallon that would be $975.00 in fuel.
     
  11. I'm 360 Canuck

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    I don't think you can accurately calculate depreciation on these cars.
    As the OP said, it could be nil due to a low purchase price. It could have even gone up in value. Additionally, straight line depreciation isnt really relevant on a car like this, we know it's never going to go near zero. But You never truly know it until you sell it.
    If you want to play lawyerball, then I guess OP could call it something other than "full cost of ownership", although I thought most of us knew what he meant,
     
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  12. RedNeck

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    Exactly, none of the quoted numbers are even close to representing my situation. I posted this as a service, not to argue pedantic details. The interest, purchase price, etc. will be completely different for everyone, not relevant. The parts and service prices will be more steadfast and informational for anyone looking to own a 360 and be their own grease monkey., that was the point of the thread.
     
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  13. RedNeck

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    None of these numbers represent my situation, or even come close, and the interest charge calculated would not be 3600 unless one took out a loan for only 12 months at 4.00%....even then, this is a 9 month update. I won't be disclosing my loan details or purchase price.
     
  14. Dewinator

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    At this point depreciation should be only based on miles, not time. Factoring in enjoyment from those miles, you can probably consider them a net gain. :)
     
  15. 3POINT8

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    ok fair enough. it would be helpful to know your true costs though so we have the full picture.
     
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    That is awesome you are able to break even in a creative manner, I've been trying to do the same but there were a couple of major jobs that required a lot of labor. Parts wise I have been able to recoup 1/3 to 1/2 of the costs via smart shopping and selling of OEM bits which are frankly useless to me.
     
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  17. HH11

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    Fuel and insurance can be peanuts depending on our premiums and annual mileage driven.

    I doubt those two factors would move the needle much on total ownership costs. I pay $1100 a year for the 430 and fuel is also no more than 2 tanks per month (maybe $100)

    With loan rates where they are, I'm guessing it also isn't much of a number to sweat about.
     
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    it would on,y be helpful to this particular instance. everyones purchase details will be so different its best to keep that out of the equation. the way he broke it down is perfect for the typical buyer to use as reference.
     
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    I would argue the OP is doing better than he thinks. I never really include tires, fluids, insurance (other than the "extra" paid on a Ferrari) or other items I would be spending $$ on no matter what car I had. But I guess that's just me. How do you square the expenses against the fun factor of ownership or the satisfaction of fixing up your car and making it "yours"? This F-car ownership is kind of a hobby for me. Hobbies all cost money, right?

    Budgeting is a fact of life-- myself included. But too much pencil to paper can take the fun out of it.
     
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    I think most of us got the picture and didn't need to give any grief about what was essentially meant as a guide for someone looking to own and DIY.

    I have had a similar, if not better experience in the 7+ years I've had the CS. Somewhere on the site I did an itemization and the costs were extremely affordable... if you are able and willing to do the work. The fact that the CS has 2X+ increased in value since I bought it has helped as well.
     
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  21. RedNeck

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    Thanks...that was definitely my point. While I highly doubt my car will every go up in value (substantially, anyways), it does prove that Ferrari ownership does not have to be ridiculously expensive as long as you are willing to do a little give-and-take, not to mention elbow grease..
     
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    This is awesome to see, thanks for putting this out there. How much of these costs where things that broke/came due during your ownership, vs needing to be done when you bought it? Just trying to decide if this is really the cost of bringina car up to snuff, or a typical 9 month ownership cost.
     
  23. RedNeck

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    Most of everything was bringing the car up to my standards. The only "repair" that I've had to do was replacing the exhaust ECU after constant "Slow Down" lights shut down cylinder banks
     
  24. Ingenere

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    I think a lot of owners hold exorbitant parts and service costs up as a badge of honor. That isn't me. I have just loved exotics and Ferrari since I was able to pick up a copy of Road & Track and have been fortunate enough to have been able to experience these cars for most of my adult life and part of the hobby is actually learning and figuring out how to work on them.... not to mention clipping some apexes!
     
  25. RedNeck

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    Exactly...I live up to my name in that aspect :) I had the "badge of honor" attitude for exactly 1 day when I paid $40 for a keychain from FoA. Over it after that. I'm a car guy, plain and simple. It helps that these cars are pretty damn easy to work on. I could never pull off the "high class" thing anyway.. :D
     

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