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Fuel smell on oil dip stick.

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  1. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

    Apr 9, 2010
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    I'm not sure if it has always been like this but there is a noticeable fuel smell on the dip stick when checking oil. Oil level is stable and the oil looks fine. Oil smells less strong than the dip stick. (I'll check the oil fill area next for fuel smell) It was changed early summer so it's only a few hundred miles and four months old. Good hard driving when up to temps and driven several times a week.

    Most likely (we hope) culprit could be a leaking fuel injector. Mine are probably original and I recently had them cleaned and reinstalled with new seals and no leaks. Car runs better than ever since the cleaning. The spray pattern is improved but they may be sticking. (Lots of sitting before I got it) So, I plan to replace them all with new injectors and seals and replaced the oil and filter and monitor the oil level and smell.

    Other plans will be to do dry and wet compression tests, snap compression and leak down and any other diagnosis I can pull off. (all while rebuilding the suspension and improving interior)

    I am told the sticking injectors are the usual suspect, especially when the car has sat for a while, putting a varnish on the injectors. What other things will cause this fuel smell in the oil. I hear about rings and other problems that require a rebuild. Let's hope it's the injectors!

    Can't find this subject on the forums via a search. Anyone else experience this? Is this common on these cars?

    Cheers
    David Govett
     
  2. PAP 348

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    Sounds like a leaking injector/s to me David.

    Strange though you only had them serviced. Perhaps one is just simply worn out causing it to leak.

    Is the car hard to start after sitting for long periods of time? The only way for fuel to mix with the oil is via a leaking/dripping injector.

    Best to inspect and repair asap as this can lead to "washing" of the cylinder walls causing premature piston ring wear.

    I would remove the spark plugs and see if one plug is wet with fuel as that injector will be the culprit.
     
  3. TheMayor

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    You need to do an immediate oil change. Gas in the oil will break it down and could lead to bearing damage.

    But, you need to find the source of the gas getting into the oil. A leaky injector could be the cause.

    It is not uncommon with Bosch FI cars. It's not common either but remember the car is 25 years old.
     
  4. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

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    Oh yeah, I'm going to change the oil as soon as possible along with all new injectors to be safe and another set of spark plugs too. The service on the existing injectors worked for getting a better even spray. However I couldn't get them bench tested for sticking and other problems. It was a very inexpensive service that improved things allot so no loss. Also, the car starts perfectly every time with no problems. It never sits more than 3 or 4 days so no info on how it would start after sitting too long. Even after sitting weeks during a repair, it starts right up but needs a moment to get the idle smoothed out. It's running great.

    Just checked the oil fill cap and there is a mild fuel smell in the oil. I'll keep you posted.

    Thanks
    Dave
     
  5. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

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    #5 davidgovett, Sep 20, 2011
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    Pulled one bank of plugs and they have no hint of fuel smell at all. The car had been off a while so perhaps I need to run the car briefly and then immediately pull the plugs perhaps to catch it?

    Dave
     
  6. Wade

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  7. PV Dirk

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    Yeah, referring to the 9th injector, if you do many short trips the car will run more rich regularly. If it's sat for a while things could have taken a set. Although my vote is for a leaking injector. Although wouldn't a leaking injector cause the system to lose pressure shortly after shutdown then make it harder to start when hot similar to the accumulator going out?

    Unrelated but I found on my car that oil consumption went way down after taking it on some long trips. I think I started at 500 - 800 miles to a quart of oil, to about 1500 - 1800 miles to a quart after many long trips. I would plan some long, long weekend drives before considering a rebuild on a otherwise good engine.

    I also agree on changing the oil.
     
  8. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

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    Oh yeah, I'll do many things before rebuilding. I want to work my way up to being able to rebuild it myself with some help but that is a couple years off as I work through the classes and save up the money for the parts. I do want to do an overhaul at some point for peace of mind when the time comes though.

    Cheers
    Dave
     
  9. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

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    Shoot for a rebuilt at 150,000+ miles. Personally I'm shooting for getting 200K on mine. I could see buying a rough car someday to pull the engine apart and play with it. Maybe a fully rebuilt extra engine, a good coffee table :D
     
  10. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

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    Well, I pulled every spark plug with engine cold and warm and none of them have any fuel smell or signs of fuel spray on them. Unless it is the proverbial 9nth injector, it seems the injectors may not be to blame at this point. Do the rings wear out at 45,000 miles?

    Anyway, next step is all the compression and leak down tests which I have needed to do for some time anyway. I'll hold off on replacing injectors or anything else until I trace it down. If all else fails, I'll pay a couple hours for a diagnosis with my tech. Feel free to share other ideas or tests or checks. I'll do all the checking and oil change during my suspension rebuild (bushings and rebuild steering rack)
    Thanks!


    Cheers
    Dave
     
  11. Glassman

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    Personally I think it might be an over reaction. Change the oil then go for a long drive. Then check for fuel smell. I've never had a single collecter car that doesn't have fuel smell in the oil before running.
     
  12. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

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    I didn't see that you mentioned how often and how far you drive the car. Short trips are tough on any car.

    On many short trips where the car runs cool frequently it is running rich and can over time wash out the cylinder wall lube and create fuel smell.

    Or starting it to move in and out of the garage frequently can do this.
     
  13. davidgovett

    davidgovett Karting

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    Interesting and reassuring. I'll try all that but still plan to do some tests just so I know where it is on compression. It won't cost a thing and I'll get training and practice on all the testing procedures to boot. It is mostly short trips but I usually get it up to temp and do some high rev accelerations on most trips. I usually get it on the highway for a few miles. I'll try something longer. Thanks for the input and reassurance.

    Dave
     
  14. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

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    If I was a car doctor I'd prescribe a minimum of an hour long drive every weekend. I know this is tough medicine and no one wants to hear this but it's best for the car in the long run :D
     

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