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  1. Portofino

    Portofino Formula Junior

    Sep 17, 2011
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    I ve been reading the links in the top ( sticky section ) there’s one on this but it seems to me they make a meal of it - changing out the front tapper bearings .
    There are plenty of genic tapper bearings u tube vids.
    I found this 308 one


    I get the S brake pipe needs loosening and possibly the top BJ loosening , + remember where the calliper shims go when removing.I also get placing the new bearings in the freezer
    Brakes need a fluid refresh any how .

    Is there anything else , gotchas ? I note Fanny does it with the disc still attached to the hub .

    Another Q I have loadsa black CV grease , presume I need some other special bearing grease ….what s everyone else used ?
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I think she's absolutely right that leaving the brake disc mounted to the hub made getting the old races out and the new races in much easier/better; however, after the new races were installed, I would've separated the disc from the hub just to be able to clean up those surfaces and put some rust preventive on them (e.g., wipe them with some PB Blaster) for the next 30 years ;) -- JMO.
     
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  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The main one that causes so many trouble is the hard brake line. Get new nuts so the bearing preload can be properly set. There are a million perfectly good greases out there. The car has no special lubricant needs there. Any grease sold for automotive wheel bearing or CV joint grease should be fine. I like moly greases but it isnt a requirement.

    If you need bearings they are a very standard size.
     
  4. miked

    miked Formula Junior

    Feb 7, 2001
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    No reason to separate the disc and hub. Use wheel bearing grease, not CV or chassis grease. Bearings and seals are made to international dimension standards, their numbers are stamped, etched or in the case of rubber seals, molded into the part. Any bearing supplier will have them just try to get one of the better brands, Timken, SKF etc. Packing the grease into the new bearings is always fun, enjoy.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    In most cases correct. Ferrari has a long history of using non standard bearings designed for a specific purpose. Front wheel bearings for TR, 348, Mondial, 328, 412 and F40 is a good example. Many bearings they have used were designed and manufactured for them specifically.
     
  6. Portofino

    Portofino Formula Junior

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    I have ordered the parts inc new hub nuts , a L + R hand thread from Superperformance. A bearing set is £16 .New seal a few quid .
    I know I could have gotten the serial no s from the links etc etc and driven round town to the bearing supplier ,to save a few quid , but in that time done a lot of work on the car .

    Seeing I am gonna refresh the brake fluid anyhow , bleed the brakes when done can I simply just undo one end of the S shaped pipe to facilitate the calliper removal ?

    One of the guides on here suggests loosening the bracket end , so s not to leak or allow air in so “ you can swing the calliper out of the way “

    I have a pressure bleeder ( used successfully before on the GT 4 ) and don’t mind sending plenty of new fluid through to bleed them .I also have ordered new nipples as the existing heads the hex shape have been pretty chewed up by previous owners .So if I am taking the nipples out there’s gonna be a lot of time / effort to re bleed it all through anyhow , hence undo a S pipe end ?

    I haven’t looked at the job to see if the last guys bent / kinked the S shaped pipe to get a socket on the calliper bolt .

    I can see a risk if unscrewing an end of the S pipe not being able to ever reseal it back up and note they need tiny pressures nipping up so s not to distort the end and knacker the seal ?
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    On a 308 there is no caliper bracket and no "swinging the caliper out of the way". It needs to be removed to get the rotor off and the hard line will need to be disconnected too in some fashion.

    The chances of problems with the hard line will be 100% based on prior handling, tightening etc. So no one can predict if it will lead to trouble but it needs to be disconnected. You could dismount the hose mounting bracket at the ball joint which may be what you referred to but I have never felt the need to do it that way or ever considered it a labor saver.
     
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  8. Steve Magnusson

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    +1

    The mistake is trying to rethread in the hard brake line with everything already rigidly attached. Much better to have things loose, hand thread in both hard brake line end fittings, then rigidly attach the caliper and/or the clip for the end of the flexible brake line, and finally tighten the hard brake line end fittings. The hard brake line is almost never perfectly shaped to let you just start the end fittings without buggering things up -- it would need some "flexing", and that line is so short/rigid that it almost can't be done. (Know that you know this -- just stating it for others).
     
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  9. Rifledriver

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    I have not done one in a while but I'll ad that if I recall correctly the hard line covers one of the caliper bolts so before it can be removed the hard line needs to be out of the way.
     
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  10. bitsobrits

    bitsobrits Formula Junior
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    Just did the front calipers on my car, and the hard line does indeed block the upper bolt.
     
  11. francisn

    francisn Formula 3

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    I had both front and rear offside wheel bearings replaced by QV in UK in last 6 weeks. Both were worn and noisy. No idea what it took to do them but wasn't expensive. Couple of hours labour on each. Parts weren't particularly expensive. Can check
     
  12. miked

    miked Formula Junior

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    Been down that road before, 1976 Toyota HiLux pickup truck, transmission and rear axle bearings were 1mm off std size, only place to get them was the dealer.
     
  13. 4right

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    Be careful disconnecting the hard brake line. At least 3 of the 4 lines broke when I did a suspension rebuilt several years ago on my former 308.
     
  14. Portofino

    Portofino Formula Junior

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    Followed Fanny’s vid and used filled down old races to tap in new .New in the freezer and the hub in the oven 100 *C fitted perfectly and went back on the stub perfectly .

    The problem was as many of you intimated , was the hard line reconnect .The clue was the upper connector was knurled off .A 11mm hex spanner just slipped off .It’s was cross threaded in by the last guy .So I couldn’t re connect it .
    I did remove the soft line from the bracket and still it wasn’t reconnecting.
    So have ordered a new S hard line ( with connectors ) and a new soft brake pipe in case it’s that end thread .

    I used the superglue method with the calliper shims .

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    I first took the lower off to remove the calliper , but couldn’t reconnect it .So removed the calliper ( again ) and lined it up , nipped it up with a bit of movement left to help align the the upper .Upper just wasn’t playing ball !
    So as said new hard line and new soft line .I have left the upper chassis’s frame soft line connector in at the mo until I can tell which threads been screwed up .Suspect it s the hard line .
     
  15. Portofino

    Portofino Formula Junior

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  16. Portofino

    Portofino Formula Junior

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    #16 Portofino, Oct 3, 2023
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2023
    New parts arrived
    S shaped cooper hard line , new soft hose , new connector bolt .
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    The old ^ line had chewed up connectors and being inflexible I just couldn’t get the threads to start .

    New one copper easily bends to align .I managed to hand thread it into the calliper .Phew ! Those threads ok !
    Still struggled with the upper soft line connection .
    So I removed the soft line from its bracket and use the fresh connector as a dye to effectively re tap the soft line threads .

    While out I could easily reconnect the upper hard line ( copper moves easy ) to the soft , ie line it all up .But put the nut and stake flap on the line at the hard end before joining the two up .
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    Then I ( used a dermal ) cut the bracket side off to re slot the lines back in .This saves undoing the top ball joint fighting with its split pin etc etc .

    Slotted the joint back into the bracket .Tightened up and re staked the bolts .It’s the stake wrapping Fwds that prevents the joint slipping out .

    In the future I never have to separate this hard line again to remove a calliper as there’s enough flexibility with the soft line .

    Just un stake that flange loosen the joint and slide out the connector.
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    Finished ^ the stake Fwds holds it from slipping out .

    So the hot tip , take away is order a new copper S hard line and optionally consider adapting the line bracket so you can simply slide the joint out without touching the ball joint .
     
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  17. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

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    Just curious, do they not sell a rotor/hub with new races?

    I've had some issues in the past both getting the races in and out... and would rather skip that if possible.
     
  18. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If you can even buy a new hub it will come without races.

    How is it the races are difficult to remove or install?

    Have a punch and hammer?
     

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