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  1. watt

    watt Formula 3

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    Haha, we were at Craven Cottage in 2011 when my son was considering Cambridge, and the fans were razzing Suarez : "Wanker, Wanker, Wankah"!! I've always loved the guy except for the ear bite,
     
  2. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Perez: Sainz would have "absolutely" won F1 Australian GP against Verstappen
    Red Bull driver Sergio Perez believes Ferrari's Carlos Sainz would "absolutely" have won Formula 1's Australian Grand Prix even if Max Verstappen hadn't hit trouble.
     
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  3. JWeiss

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    Yeah, I’ve been feeling Sauber has been rushing things in the pits. They should probably slow down and take things a bit more deliberately.
     
  4. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    2 slow pitstops for Bottas in this one race!....how slow do they need to go?
     
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  5. johnireland

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    Very happy with Ferrari 1, 2...Sainz worked for the win and totally deserved it. Max's car just didn't seem as strong as in the first two races. The "hold position" order came not long after Max's exit...and made total sense. Sainz was the car in the lead and he qualified to be there. Leclerc was in the number 2 role today, and all the result of his own set up mistakes. If Max's car hadn't failed, I'm not convinced he wouldn't still have a real fight on his hands to win. I think Alonzo was trying the same successful strategy that he used against Perez last season...trying to minimize the DRS effect Russel's car would have on certain sections of the track. If he did so too aggressively this time...Russell still bears the responsibility for losing control. He knew what Alonzo was trying to do and he wasn't paying attention.
     
  6. Jakuzzi

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    Finally saw the race. Great result for Carlos. As I have always said [read my posts since he joined SF], Carlos is a better driver than CL. :)
     
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  7. Jakuzzi

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    Maybe RB tuned down his engine, to prevent detonation.
     
  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That's also as I see it, but they put the blame on Alonso.
     
  9. HotShoe

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    I’ve gained massive amount of respect for him after seeing how he handled the Lewis deal.

    He has a competitive fire that can’t be taught or bought. To be honest I hope he ends up with a great ride next year and shows Ferrari they made a mistake.
     
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  10. Racedrvr

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  11. Giallo 550

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  12. Hawkeye

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    Alonso penalized because George has poor reflexes?
     
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  13. GuyIncognito

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    that was an over the top move IMO.

    it's one thing to position your car in defense, another to throw a last minute block.

    it's one thing to park someone at the apex, another to brake check him that badly.

    the telemetry data sunk Fred on that.

    he probably would have gotten away with it if George had seen it coming, reacted better, and not crashed. but he didn't....


     
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  14. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Reading the comments on this thread, the stewards had their say, but not everyone seems to agree with their conclusion.

    I agree totally with post #262 from @Hawkeye.

    How can anyone calls that a "brake check", when there was so much distance between the 2 cars ? Hello ...
     
  15. GuyIncognito

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    look at the data in the tweet I linked above. he hit the brakes more than a full braking zone early.

    you can see from the onboard here that it totally caught George out.

    could George's nursing home reflexes have been better? could he have made a better decision? could he have seen a move coming? all yes. doesn't change how ridiculously early Fred hit the brakes.

    if I'm George, next time Fred does that I'm running smack into the back of his car.

    you'd think of all the drivers on the grid, Fred would understand the consequences of a big crash at Melbourne...

     
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  16. NeuroBeaker

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    YEAH! FORZA FERRARI! :D

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  17. Kimi2007

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    George was focused on setting up a DRS pass for the long back straight, and probably didn't think Alonso would do something so reckless over 6th place.

    Alonso owes Russel a huge apology, and if he's going to drive irrationally desperate like that over 6th place at his age, he needs to just friggin' retire for good before he seriously hurts somebody out there.
     
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  18. subirg

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    There was less than 0.5s between them. And they are doing over 250kph at that point. Alonso brakes where he has never braked on a lap. In an F1 car, lifting the throttle alone decelerates the car by over 1g. Only he did hit the brakes so that means deceleration at anything up to 5g. You try reacting faster than Russel and let’s see how well it goes. My guess is, not very well.
     
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  19. Bas

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    He had a (very) competitive car in 22 and messed up...

    Time will tell.
     
  20. GrigioGuy

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    Russell has a habit of smacking a wall when he gets in a highly focused mode. I don't fault Alonso in this, changing your patterns to disrupt a driver behind you is really the essence of race driving.
     
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  21. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    So IF Hamilton would have hit Max from behind at Jeddah or swerved to avoid Max and ended up in the wall, it's Max's fault?

    Also, didn't Hamilton breakcheck Vettel and Vettel hit Hamilton on the side. Whom got the penalty?
     
  22. Kimi2007

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    To be fair to Leclerc, the F1-75 was very overrated.

    It was only in league with the RB for the first three races, when the latter were still trying to lose weight and optimize their setup. Once Red Bull found the sweet spot in Imola, they were in a class of their own for the rest of the year. The 75 was very, very draggy on the straights, and it was always a matter of 'when' Max would catch up and pass.

    The only other times the 75 was competitive were when RB screwed up their setup in Austria and when Max had damage in Silverstone. When it comes to France, I don't believe Leclerc was going to hang on against Max anyways.

    Once TD-39 came along the 75 wasn't much better than the Mercedes.

    The current car is much more balanced and has a good medium downforce window, or so it seems right now.
     
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  23. jpalmito

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    He did some costly mistakes indeed ( Imola, France)
    To be fair Binotto management and reliability problems didn’t help him either..
     
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  24. william

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    Come on !!
    That Baku so-called Hamilton "break check" on Vettel happened during a yellow period behind safety car, if I remember exactly.
    As the leader, Hamilton was setting the pace before restart, whilst trying to keep his tyres in temperature by short bursts of accelaration followed by slowing down periods which is the common practice in this case.
    Vettel, 2nd, didn't follow suit, and prefered to stay too close to him, showing impatience on the radio.
    At one point, Vettel was caught by Hamilton's sudden deceleration and hit the Mercedes, telling his pit that he had been "brake checked", as if !!!
    Then Vettel lost his rag, overtook Hamilton (all under yellow !!!), and then dived on him, letting the tyres to contact, forcing Hamilton to stop as to show his displeasure, accompanied by invectives. All captured by onboard cameras
    No wonder Vettel received a penalty for this. He was in complete meltdown and had broken several rules.
     
  25. Giallo 550

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    Yes Bas, but after how many DNFs prior to France? That was desperation, pressure, and overcompensation. He's not Vettel spinning the car out every other weekend.
     
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