FORMULA 1 DHL TURKISH GRAND PRIX 2020 - ISTANBUL.......Qualifying ▄▀▄▀ Spoilers ▀▄▀▄

Today's lack of performance from Bottas and Hamilton was due to insufficient heat in the tyres.
This reflects more a wrong set-up by Mercedes, than a lack of skill from the drivers.
**** happens sometime, and they may have learnt from it for tomorrow.

 

U cant have it both ways though,drivers are also responsible for their setup. Senna was known to be a master at this, if u are saying Hamilton doesn’t do his set up and merc does it for him then really he is « just » an amazing driver but not the total package. I’m sure ud disagree on that. Like u said **** happens and I still expect him to win or compete for the win tomorrow.


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Mighty entertaining session. I hereby order all tracks to resemble ice skating rinks!

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He got stuck behind Kimi after a reactionary call to what Perez did. Max had to pass Kimi but due to intermediates, couldn't go off the racing line to do this...thus relegating him to go at the pace Kimi set. This didn't get enough temp in the tyres and meant he couldn't do much in the one lap he had. I was in awe watching max drive. Lap after lap multiple seconds quicker than the next...God like performance. Truly special.

Congrats to Stroll on his first pole.

 

How quickly they forget! Remember wet qualifying earlier this season at the Styrian Grand Prix (Austria)? LH put on a clinic and had the field comprehensively covered in those conditions (i.e. unlike today, his tires had actually switched on back then). More than one second faster than 2nd place Max that day.

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The combination of rain, cold temps and a newly-repaved surface (with resin oozing out of it) proved to be too much of a conundrum for Mercedes-AMG to overcome. Unlike that day during qualifying at the Styrian Grand Prix when it was about the driver, today it far more about the car (setup).

 

Comparing a driver today with one who last raced 26 years ago in completely different circumstances is like comparing apples and pears.
I leave you to it.

 

But then some armchair critic will tell you he is not "the total package" .

 

lol what.

 

Too easy man lol
U and KTU are always comparing and instigating how great he is compared to everyone. Weak!
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Armchair critic didn’t tell u this. What I’m telling u is that u are a narrows minded person that only sees things that arrange/ are convenient to him and blinded.
U just said the setup cost him a good time today but then in
Austria , it’s not the set upit’s all him.
Armchair critic happens to be a former pro basketball player who knows more about sports than
A guy who thinks any driver that ever came from Britain is great.


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you're not suggesting being a former basketball player means you know better when it comes to autoracing, are you?

it's always a mix of driver and team. both have to do a good job and usually at Mercedes they do. This performance? well, maybe it's just something about this combination of track and weather that doesn't work with the Mercedes design. Have they ever won at this track?

if the weather persists I wouldn't be surprised to see Verstappen take himself and Stroll out in the first turn

 

No but I know better about being a poor sportsman like this guy. U got learn how to take a L. His guy didn’t do well it happens; don’t go blame the engineers in a tough time and take all the glory for Austria. Be consistent that’s it.
I still expect Hamilton to be good tomorrow and be world champion.


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LOL

 

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Such nonsense. Hamilton is incredible in the wet, the only current driver at the same level is Verstappen. Hamilton has demonstrated that over and over and over, for example Silverstone 2008.

Going back - Schumacher was great, also great at changing conditions - but some of his rainmeister reputation actually belongs to Ross Brawn, in that if wet conditions were possible for a race, Brawn would have the T car set up for wet conditions (for Schumacher, of course, since he always had priority and first dibs on the spare car), and they would make a call just before race start whether to use the primary or spare car. On more than one occasion, one of Schumacher's "legendary" wet race victories was down to him driving a car with the wet setup against everyone else on a dry setup!

Senna was a more naturally talented driver who could transcend during a wet race - but before anyone trots out Donington 1993, where Senna passed 6 cars on just the opening lap (including Schumacher) and went on to a dominating win, Senna himself didn't consider it a great wet race victory because those cars had traction control and ABS. All the same, he still dominated in his era, including over Schumacher in wet races.

Before Senna, and arguably greatest of all, was Gilles Villeneuve. His car control was unmatched. During the 1979 United States GP, Friday practice was drowned, it was raining so hard only 6 drivers set lap times at all. Villeneuve was out putting in laps for fun! Jody Scheckter, 2 races after sealing the WDC, and in the same car as Villeneuve, was convinced he'd got the absolute maximum out of the Ferrari, and said he'd scared himself rigid doing it... but Villeneuve went out a bit later, when it was raining even harder, and set a lap time 11 seconds quicker!! Scheckter couldn't believe it, Jacques Lafitte was giggling watching Villeneuve drive and said 'Why do we bother? He's different from the rest of us. On a separate level'

Nigel Roebuck wrote ""Gilles was the one bloke who made you go and look for a corner in a practice session, because you knew that where everybody else would go through it as if on rails, Gilles would be worth watching. That day in the rain at Watkins Glen was almost beyond belief. It truly was.

"You would think he had 300 horsepower more than anybody else. It just didn't seem possible. The speed he was travelling at didn't bear any relation to anybody else."

So yeah, Senna was the quickest of his era in the wet. Schumacher, likewise. Neither compared to Gilles Villeneuve. And Hamilton is undisputedly the quickest of his era in the wet. To pretend otherwise is just ignoring the actual data, facts, and results, for whatever biased reason you might have.

 

Why is this still the forum narative?

 

No non sense - The point being made is that William
Conveniently along with KTU put all the greatness on Hamilton when things are well and here it’s all the car. Total bias. Period
As far as senna , talent had nothing to do with it. I suggest u watch documentary and his sister saying how hard he worked to be good in the wet. He’d take his kart over and over again when wet to improve because naturally he sucked.
I have never said Hamilton wasn’t great , quite the opposite but the like of William make it hard. I mean the man is even out here saying Damon
Hill was great so...

Ur guy was bad today period, there is always tomorrow.
So you should re-read what I said, u are making stuff up along the way! I never typed Hamilton wasn’t great in the wet, like ever. So calm down. He is no senna in the wet that’s for sure, or gilles.

The bias here is William. Period end of the story.
I understand how a tifosi like Sid got banned with guys like that

U can’t be out here always posting how great ham is all the time and when convenient...that’s utter bs...

And then he and ktu are ad nauseam posting interviews and teammate saying he is the goat which implies comparing era but then when u tell William senna wasn’t outqualified 5 seconds in a wet William says can’t compare era.

SMH! That’s exactly what I said, nothing about ur tirade, I know the stats, never disputed them.


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Guys . . . please. Why does almost every thread have to revolve around Hamilton?

 

IMO that's why Hamilton has such a divided fanbase. There seems no in-between, you either love or hate the guy.

Ignoring his dressing up and questionable singing for a moment, IMO it's his comments when he's racing and after is why he's disliked by so many. His real personality comes out the moment the wind is only ever so slightly against it. I can ignore it if it happens once or twice but it's every single time. Throwing the team under the bus, the same team that's provided him with a car guaranteed to win titles 8 years in a row, is just such poor sportsmanship. Many people see this trait of him, and when we still had fans at tracks, the same speech when he's given the microphone every weekend ''this is the best track, these are the best fans etc'' people see he's a fake personality.

That's why people start nit picking/making fun off his dressing up, singing exploits and all the rest of him. They don't dislike him for that reason, but it's something they poke fun at.

Then you have the crowd that defends Ham and whenever someone disagrees with the ''lewis is a GOAT'' narrative they must be a hater/racist who thinks Lewis can't drive, this hits people the wrong way (especially being accused of racism!), further polarizing the 2 groups.

 

Exactly.
For me it’s not about Ham here. Could care less, the guy didn’t say or do anything wrong.
It’s the lack of sportsmanship.
Anyways it’s okay. Let’s see tomorrow, whoever wins let’s hope for something interesting, maybe raikonnen gets a podium?


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I didn't like that aspect of Hamilton during the early years... which lasted quite a few years. But, in the last 3-4 years I've seen that change - it's very rare now for him to throw the team under the bus, beyond questioning a tire decision during a race now and then (but then they all do that, Verstappen for example). In the last few years Hamilton has been much more of a genuine team player, acknowledging and taking the blame when he's screwed up, and very rarely outright blaming the team any more. He really has grown up... finally!

 

I view it different from you...ok of course it's become less the last few years, but then ''the team'' has hardly made a mistake in the time you mention now. And we can't hear the daft ''best ever fans'' speeches because...there aren't any fans.

As for Verstappen...I can't recall him throwing the team under the bus. Engine suppliers, absolutely (though I can't recall him doing the same to Honda just yet, more venting his frustration at the engine having more and more phantom issues, but not directly at the manufacturer). The Max comparisson is quite easily explained to me, Max doesn't make an effort to portray himself any different than what he shows in the car. In other words, there is no fake personality surrounding him. Whether people like that personality or not, is a different discussion...I value it quite highly. Much like Kimi, really.

 

It should be an interesting race, for sure the most interesting of the year! Rain or shine, I think Max is looking good so long that car stays together. Raikkonen podium would be a dream come true but I think the lack of performance from the Ferrari engine, 7th is the best he could hope for.

My guess is Max, Ham, any racing point.

 

Spot on mate, let's hope this COVID rubbish is over as well so we can do Monaco next year