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Fix for too steep of a driveway.

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by erandall38, Jul 31, 2012.

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  1. erandall38

    erandall38 Rookie

    Jun 28, 2012
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    I was looking at purchasing a home in the next few months and there is one that has really caught my eye.

    Unfortunately the drive way is very steep. Not sure that the 360 can make it up there.

    Is there some fix I can do? I don't know if there is a temporary thing I can use, I suppose permanently I could have cement laid down and have them put it a pipe under it for drainage? Wonder what the cost for that would be?


    On a side note, there are quite a few steep hills in the area, what gear should you riding in those situations? Lowest possible?

    Edit: Side note. I went and tried the other day, but seemed like it wasn't going to work. The street the house is on is actually very steep in itself. When I went to try it out, I was coming from up hill to down hill. This would make the steep driveway more dramatic, right? I'm thinking out loud here a bit... but if I came up the street from low to hi, wouldn't that help cut out some of the driveway steepness?
     
  2. Bounce

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    Dig out the steep angle to adjust it? Will probably need some steps or such put on the sides.
     
  3. erandall38

    erandall38 Rookie

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    The house sits high off the street, so I'm not sure I can just dig out the angle and repave it. There actually has to an uphill driveway to get there. The way its set up I'm not even sure I could try to redo the entire driveway with a lower grade, its just too high and close to the street.

    That's why I'm thinking I'd have to actually maybe lay cement to connect a higher portion of the driveway with the street, therefore lowering the initial steep grade where you would bottom out.


    I'm really beginning to wonder now though... if I go at it from bottom of street toward top... if that will help cut out the angle.
     
  4. don_xvi

    don_xvi F1 Rookie

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    You could consider what I think you were getting at; pave a widening of the driveway so it will have more frontage. This will allow you to attack the driveway at an angle.

    Yes, climbing the hill to approach the driveway and entering it on an angle (seen from above) will reduce the "approach angle" as it's called in the offroad world.

    I still might invest in some skid plates if you buy the house. I recall some vendors selling them within the past few years, but I don't remember who.
     
  5. TheDuke

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    What about an aftermarket hydraulic suspension? Is there a way to raise the front nose without compromising the handling? I think Edo Competion did that with the Carrera GT.
    Just a thought

    When you do fix the problem of bottoming out, then there is an extra clutch wear issue. Having these nice high end sports cars sometimes requires us to compromise.
     
  6. rob lay

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    a common mod is a skid plate under the nose if you are just scraping a little. look at almost any Ferrari and you will see it worn through the plastic and undertray without skid plate.
     
  7. erandall38

    erandall38 Rookie

    Jun 28, 2012
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    Great responses guys, thanks for the help. I'm going to check it out coming from bottom to top again... and see if it hits. Skid plate might take care of it, maybe some work on the driveway might have to be done.

    Thanks for your input.
     
  8. muk_yan_jong

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    #8 muk_yan_jong, Jul 31, 2012
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    Skidplates give you even less clearance and will cause more damage when you hit something hard thinking you are "protected."

    Solve it with minimal paving, your angle of approach, and how fast you transition onto the driveway.

    Don't worry about scrapes on the underside. They do not hurt the value and most of the cars have them.

    And if it is a F1 car... Don't try to do it in reverse...
     
  9. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Good points. A cheap idea might be to strategically place boards(2 x 6's) to lift up the front of the car high enough. You can mark the location of them so there's no guess work. Between that and approach angle you should be fine? It depends on how often you drive the car as you'll have to lay them out each time?
     
  10. PeteyP

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  11. bill365

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    Pictures?
     
  12. Bullfighter

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    Apart from filling and paving, you could trade it on a car with better clearance (e.g., 911) or a nose that raises (e.g., Gallardo).

    Of course those are all expensive options.

    I think the temporary fixes like boards and ramps are going to get annoying pretty quickly. I've passed on a house or two because of the driveway angle.
     
  13. babyboo

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    I've asked this before but no one has responded. When approaching a steep incline do you keep the wheels parallel to the vehicle or angled out of the wheel wells?
     
  14. scubamike

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    If you get skid plates added to your car, you might want to try the nylon (plastic) ones. They flex a bit and it seems to help. None will help if you hit the nose hard.

    As far as the driveway is concerned, without seeing it I'd say some permanent fill to adjust the initial entrance/exit transition angle should help.

    Check with a local paving company. They should be able to give you an estimate and could also advise if there are any zoning issues related to driveway entrance modifications.
     
  15. agup48

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  16. J. Salmon

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    If a front lift is all you seek, it can be done for far less than 11k (which includes full coilovers, so it's kinda apples to oranges)

    http://www.ramliftpro.com/

    BTW I used several bags of asphalt patch to smooth the transition into my old driveway.
     
  17. LightGuy

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    I cant see how that helps.

    What does work is to approach a dip in the drive at an angle.
     
  18. don_xvi

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    Well, on first analysis it would be better to keep the wheels straight so they have a better envelope to compress into. Having the wheel turned so it can hit the bottom of the fender isn't desirable. Theoretically, you could try to turn the wheels to take advantage of suspension geometry changes, but I'm fairly confident you'd never come out ahead relative to keeping the wheels straight.
     
  19. bdgs1

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    i have the same problem on my drive entrance---as to adding something to bridge gap etc etc --BTW (the local street/road dept is very unfriendly towards it around here(mid south) any thing altering or restricting drainage flow will be removed if you don't and a unpleasant note also arrives)--I have the very best luck coming in at an angle(basically putting 1 wheel at a time on driveway) then straightening out after both fronts are on the drive---still have whacked it pretty good more often than i like to think about---the area in front of the drive where you turn in really is the most important to me---my friends place has exact same entrance except mine is from cove and his from street---just can't do it at his place--can't get enough of an angle
     
  20. Joe 575

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    Griot's driveway bridge and skid plates work great!
     
  21. erandall38

    erandall38 Rookie

    Jun 28, 2012
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    I've passed on this property and looking elsewhere.

    I appreciate all the help thought, and hopefully this will help someone in the future through the search function.


    Regarding your wheel alignment... Even where I'm at right now there is a bump getting into the garage. I leave the wheels straight but have the car go at an angle. Once the 2 front wheels clear and the one of the back tires gets on the incline I turn the wheels.
     

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