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Firestorm Spark Plugs - New Found Power??

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  1. F40Lover

    F40Lover Karting

    Mar 28, 2004
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    Check this site out.
    A very interesting article about spark plugs and how these new ones can increase power.
    Is this one of the things that Ferrari may be using????


    http://www.robertstanley.biz/firestorm.htm
     
  2. beast

    beast F1 World Champ

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    Pure hype. Dont believe a single word of it.

    Remember the hype about Splitfire plugs?? now they dont advertise the claims any longer. in a lab under controlled contitions the plugs may give a slight increase of HP. In the real world they dont do crap.

    Rob
     
  3. FIAutoSports

    FIAutoSports Formula Junior

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    That is almost the biggest crock I have ever read. Not even hype, just flat out lies. Spark plugs do not change A/F ratios. No engine on earth could run with a 40:1 A/F ratio and survive, much less a 24:1, at least in my experience.

    And running leaner also increases heat. A spark plug CANNOT lessen the heat of the flame front released with the spark. The only proven way to lessen heat is to run richer, not leaner. Which is why lean motors melt pistons.

    And holding a spark plug together with toothpicks will cause a fire, not spark.

    Also, plugs do not produce plasma. They make flame and cause combustion. Hot enough flame will cause plasma (plasma cutter), but that directly de-bunks his statement that his spark plugs lower temperatures. If they do make plasma, he had better offer a warranty on pistons. Plasma cutters operate at 30,000deg F. Pistons will melt at the 1600-2100deg F mark (depending on other factors).

    All in all, it is a flat out lie. I hate people who come out with this wild ass theories and portrat themselves to be smarter than thousands with no proven documentation.
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Just you wait until Arco and Exxon hear about this guy. They will either buy him out or kill him to keep this a secret.

    Right

    Where is Maranello Man with a tin foil hat when you need him.
     
  5. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
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    My great uncle Fester invented a 100 MPG carburator. He's afraid to bring it to market because of the death threats received by the evil big oil companies; so now he's working on a machine where you put a quarter in it and it spits out a dollar!
     
  6. FarmerDave

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    A google search revealed no other evidence about a "robert krupa" even existing, outside that one particular web page. For someone as high-profile as this guy claims to be, that's a pretty neat trick.

    I think he's a figment of the author's imagination.
     
  7. F40Lover

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    I am going to find out if this man did see Smokey as stated in the website. Yesterday I had an old racing buddy stop by and we were discussing our racing that we did many years ago with stock cars. Turns out he has had many breakfast meetings with Smokey around that time period. Since he is a good record keeper (that is why he was the crew chief). He keeps notes of everything discussed. We will soon know if this mystery man is real or not.


    Maybe him and Uncle Fester are working together!!!!!
    Only Farmer Dave knows the truth.
     
  8. Sloan83qv

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    FOR RELEASE: FEBRUARY 11, 1997
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    SPLITFIRE SETTLES FTC CHARGES:
    ECONOMY, EFFICIENCY CLAIMS ARE DECEPTIVE

    In the latest in a series of FTC cases targeting deceptive ads for products that promise to improve automobile performance and economy, SplitFire, Inc., has agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that economy, efficiency and improved performance claims for its spark plugs were false or unsubstantiated. The agreement to settle the FTC charges will bar SplitFire from making deceptive claims about fuel economy, emissions, horsepower or cost savings. The company also will be barred from misrepresenting the results of tests, studies or research and from misrepresenting testimonials.

    SplitFire, Inc., is a Northbrook, Illinois-based marketer of nationally advertised, premium priced spark plugs that feature a v shape it terms, "split electrode."

    SplitFire advertises that use of its patented spark plugs results in significantly better fuel economy, greater horsepower, lower emissions and cost savings than use of either conventional spark plugs or platinum-tipped spark plugs. According to the complaint detailing the FTC charges, SplitFire ads stated:

    "Equipped with conventional spark plugs, up to 15% of the combustion cycles in a modern engine end up in 'partial misfires.’ SplitFire’s larger flame kernel helps reduce partial misfires, and experts say it helps improve: Performance, Economy, Emissions." and
    "It only costs more 'til you use It," and;
    "SplitFire conducts continuous consumer surveys to constantly monitor 'real life’ performance in all vehicle types. . . 70% reported a gas mileage increase of from 1 to 6 more miles per gallon."
    The SplitFire ads also featured consumer endorsements making claims such as, "They’ll pay for themselves, basically, in the first 6 months you own 'em," according to the FTC complaint.

    The FTC alleged that SplitFire did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis to support the claims, that SplitFire’s claims that surveys confirm gas mileage increases were false, and that Splitfire did not have a reasonable basis to claim that the testimonials used in its ads reflect the typical or ordinary experience of consumers who use SplitFire spark plugs.

    The consent order to settle the charges would prohibit SplitFire from making fuel economy, emissions, horsepower or cost savings claims without competent and reliable scientific evidence to support them. It would also prohibit misrepresentations about the existence, contents, validity, results, conclusions or interpretations of any test or study. Finally, in connection with testimonials, the settlement would require that SplitFire have scientific evidence to substantiate claims in endorsements or testimonials; that Splitfire disclose what the typical or ordinary consumer experience would be; or that the company disclose the limited applicability of the endorser’s experience -- that is, that consumers should not expect to experience similar results.

    The Commission vote to accept the consent agreement for public comment was 5-0. The proposed agreement will be placed on the public record for a 60-day public comment period. Comments should be addressed to the FTC, Office of the Secretary, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580.

    NOTE: A consent agreement is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission of a law violation. When the Commission issues a consent order on a final basis, it carries the force of law with respect to future actions. Each violation of such an order may result in a civil penalty of $11,000.


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  9. 412monzaindy

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    Thanks for the site lead.

    I read the whole thing because I promised mysefl I would not fall asleep.

    Does anybody remember the spark plugs called Lodge? with the multiple electrodes?
    How about the AC plugs with the multi-edge center electrode?

    The list goes on.

    Some Ferraris 308 80 to 81 seem to go through wires and plus on a regular basis ( from past experience)

    When any mods are performed, such as exhaust, static timing etc spark still becomes an issue.
    I found, that the AC plus, gave the best results, in crisper response and longevity
    The Lodge had good short term results, NGK, not bad,
    Platinum, would not give you 2 cents.

    Now, on the case of this new break through in plug design

    24:1 ? , 40 to 50% increase in economy, hah.
    We all know that the efficiency of the automotive engine is not great
    35% maybe on a good day. ( I am being generous)
    Can we get another 5% out of, and get 40% by going LEAN. and get it up to 40%. Maybe, In a controlled lab environment.

    You cannot control flame propognation or the flame travel . with a spark plug as he states. Detonation is caused by uncontrolled flame travel, hot spots, cyclinder pressure, etc,etc,etc

    Plasma what? The lithium engines are going to blow.

    What a script.
     
  10. teak360

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    The website says he is a California native who is a surfer. And not only is he an inventor of the magical sparkplug he is an author! He wrote

    "Mystic Malibu - Supernatural Legends from the Land of Stars".


    Pulitzer prize material! He can put it next to his Nobel prize for cutting automobile fuel consumption in half! (Not to mention altering the laws of
    physics).
     
  11. FasterIsBetter

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    Guys, Guys, it seems to me you missed the whole point of what this guy is all about. It's the old story -- "Follow the money." He's looking for someone with a lot of money to "fund" him on this venture. He keeps saying, " if I could just raise $350,000, I could get this built myself."

    Now you tell me, if this was as good as he claims it is and he has it patented, wouldn't a company like Bosch or Champion or Autolite jump at it? Why does he need a private investor to give him money?

    I guess we can all use our imaginations on that one. But I figure, with his spark plugs and installing one of those magnet gizmos that lines up all the gas molecules, plus one of those twisty, swirly things that goes in the air intake that make the air mixture more efficient, gee, I've got to be getting what, maybe 800 miles per gallon??? Sign me up!!!!! LOL

    There was an old expression that used to be used for this stuff -- snake oil salesmen. Different century, same old scam.
     
  12. F40Lover

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    I just talked with my friend of many years about this man, and as he remembers everything except where he left his favorite hat, he tells me that no such man by that name EVER approached Smokey to talk about spark plugs.

    If he actually did talk to Bosch why didn't they with all their research departments at least 'test" one of his designs. Speaking of Bosch has anyone tried out their new +2 or +4 spark plugs?

    Feed back greatly appreciated.
     
  13. TestShoot

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  14. Hubert

    Hubert F1 Rookie

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    A spark plug is a spark plug. Even Platinum doesn't yield an advantage - back to back comparisons on a dyno showed no gain in power w/ a platinum plug v. a copper one. The only advantage is service life of Platinum is longer than copper. Whoopdie doo. I'd rather have a new(er) plug than a longer lasting, beaten up plug.
     
  15. teak360

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    I actually installed all of those devices and now use over 150% less fuel!
    I have to pull over every 50 miles or so and drain the tank down.
     
  16. staatsof

    staatsof Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Anyone know anything about Denso Iridium or Iridium racing plugs?

    Bob S.
     

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