Finally a source for 458, Veyron, and Pagani clones!

This site (SR Foose Cars) offers "clones" of 458's, Pagani's, Veyrons, etc.

Concerned about the environment? Don't worry, they also make them in electric (Tesla clone)! Or you can specify a BMW V12 for traditionalists.

458 Clone (warning, it's gonna cost you $20k): SR Foose Cars Cars - Ferrari 458 Clone

458 Electric (don't worry about electric bills, it recharges by solar!): SR Foose Cars Cars - Ferrari Electric

Does anybody know what the deal is with this company? Besides the trademark infringement on every high-end car manufacturer out there, their claims are several realms beyond the ridiculous.

 

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You must be joking. The entire topic is about infringing on Ferrari's trademarks -- how is this not related to a general discussion of Ferrari? If it belongs anywhere else, then it would be the replicas forum, but since that is under vintage and these are modern Ferraris, it didn't make sense to post it there. The "General Automotive" forum gets about 1 post a week -- you might as well delete the thread.

 

So because it is not exclusively infringing on Ferrari, it has nothing to do with Ferrari.

 

Andrew - I would suggest that you are looking at it from the wrong perspective. If you own a 458 or a 430 or an Enzo or a 599 or a 360 or a California (all the models SR mimics), or even if you are considering buying one of those models, it is relevant to be aware that these “clones” are being marketed. Most owners and perspective owners won’t lose any sleep over it, but it is relevant information to them. To force a topic that is relevant to Ferrari owners to be posted in a forum, whose topic is not Ferrari, guarantees that the vast majority of the people the thread is relevant to will never see it – this is the polar opposite of constructive interference.

If you brought up this topic in a conversation at a Ferrari event, you would almost certainly end up having a several minute Ferrari-related discussion regardless of who you happened to be speaking with. Fchat is a discussion forum, not Wikipedia – what would take place in a real life conversation should be the basis for determining what is relevant – otherwise moderation is a roadblock to active discussion, rather than a compliment to active discussion.

It would be different if the forum was so overwhelmed with new threads that it was impossible for anyone to keep up – then somebody would need to tame the beast – but that is not even remotely the case. According to the newsletter, Fchat had well over 200,000 users active in August and, as far as I can tell, my post was the only new topic in the general Ferrari Discussion forum for all of Monday (and there was only one other new topic posted on Sunday). If anything, Fchat has the opposite problem of not enough participation given the huge number of users on the forum at any given time.

Maybe we’ve just run out of things to talk about, or maybe the tone of the forum isn’t optimal for many of the participants to feel comfortable posting. A forum should be fun, funny, and interesting in addition to being informative. When it is too serious, people will come and suck information out of it, but there isn’t much motivation to participate. The purpose of the forum is not to write textbooks, but to informally interact with other enthusiasts. Focus on that, instead of minutia, and Fchat will probably see broader participation across its vast user base. I couldn’t care less about this particular thread, but I do care that the forum is fun and engaging and a welcome environment so that we can get the feedback of a much broader cross-section of people rather than just the tiny sliver of users that comprise the vast majority of posts currently.

Regards,
Peter

 

Solar, Baby! It turns out Tesla was a moron building all those power stations, they could have just used the sun.

This is a Ferrari board and Ferrari seems to be the biggest target for SR based upon number of models supported, so I would still argue that Ferrari discussion was the best place to post it and it should be my discretion.

If the move was done to give broader warning, and the forum it was moved to was active so that it would actually be seen by a lot of Ferrari owners, then I wouldn't have an issue. But that's not why it was moved and that forum is virtually dead -- the last post in that forum was in August (except for the game thread). I've been on Fchat for 13 years and have never once had occasion to even go in that forum. Jimmy Hoffa could be buried in that forum and we wouldn't discover it for months.

 

Agreed. I've said what I needed to say and don't intend to comment further.

 

How is it possible that they can still be advertising this stuff years later with all these infringements? It seems like any one of the parties infringed upon (Ferrari, Lamborghini, Tesla, Top Gear, Foose, etc.) would have the legal power to get this shutdown in a heartbeat given the undisguised copying of so many brands.

 

The "smart" money is buying real ones for $18k and then selling them as replicas for $22k. It's like printing money!