are u sure 19s fit on the FF. I've never heard that before
Seems modest and works well, you could do 18mm there I think. My 18 are 2-3mm outside the well at the top. Yes, the 18mm has made for more understeer. I think 15mm is the way to go. Stock springs and no change in the front.
Yes, 19s fit. That was the answer from the mechanic at FoAustin when I asked him about using 19" Cali wheels on the FF.
No. Actual fitting has never been done. I had read about this viable option from several threads somewhere on FChat. I inquired the mechanic about that because I really would love to have studless tires, ie XI3, instead for the winter, and the largest studless diameter is 19". I am also using the 19" option to open up more possibilities for my quest for all-season tires for the rear. I am still in the midst of both quests but I will for sure do an actual fit with Cali wheels if I decide to buy a set.
I'm a believer in the 15 rear/10 front combo to keep better handling balance. That way you've only added a total of 10mm more width to the front than the back. If you just add rears (15's) you're adding a delta of 30mm between front and back...and you're naturally going to feel more of a handling trade-off..
Yea, I can see that. more understeer. Feels good though. 10/15 works on the FF as well as some have done. I'm just weary of front spacers, probably irrationally so.
Yes they will. The FF uses the same brakes as all the other cars made at the time 19" can be mounted on the 458, Cali, Cali T, FF and F12. Heck, I believe the Forgeline GA1R can be made in an 18" with a barrel that will fit.
Because the studless tires models, ie Michelin XI3, that I would like to install only go up to 19". In addition to open up more available tire choices as mentioned above, I am also contemplating putting on 19" only for the front in order to get the 40 aspect ratio so I would have a little bit more sidewall and less likelihood of bending the wheels and getting stranded on the highway. There was an owner who mentioned bending the front right 20" wheels so many times...that got me scared. You sure are a good source of infos. I would love the possibility of 18", which will open up tons of tire choices, including slicks, etc. IMO, going larger than 18" is likely beyond the point of diminishing return on performance...and mostly for cosmetic reason. If all the brakes are the same, does that means the steel from Girodisc for 458 Italia/Challenge will fit the FF, too? Ferrari
Thank you. I don't know much about that steel disc setup at all. If the brackets on the calipers are the same between the 458 and FF, and the brake disc bell offset is the same, of course. But when I say the same brakes, it's not the same as directly interchangeable. Yes the discs themselves are the same and the calipers are the same etc. but the bell of the brake disc may have a different offset and the brake caliper may be mounted slightly different to the hub and so forth. But if the Girodisc setup don't call for a change in caliper mounting, and they can make the steel disc with a bell offset that fits the FF, I don't see why it should not work. Exactly what goes into the Girodisc mod? Just disc and pads?
Hopefully Girodisc is having something in the pipework to put on their website for FF/F12. They can develop and manufacture new components so I might have to give them a call one of these days. Yes. The following comes from Girodisc's website: Q: What is required to install the Girodisc system? A: The Girodisc system is a direct replacement for the OE disc. No modifications are necessary. The disc will bolt directly to the car and work with OE calipers and pads perfectly. Once the Girodisc system is in place, simply replace the cast iron rotor when needed. Some discs are larger in diameter and come with caliper spacers. If longer bolts are required, they are also supplied.
In that case, I'd say if the 458 only needs a disc, then if the part no. of the OE brake disc for the 458 and FF is the same, yes, it should be a straight fit. Girodisc may be able to tell you, but I think it's highly likely that they will fit, or can easily be made to fit.
You don’t really need any. The offset on the Lusso front wheels is the same as the FF. At the rear, the Lusso offset is 10mm smaller so it has the same effect as if you put 10mm spacers on stock FF wheels on the rear axle.
If you put 10 mm spacers in the front, you will get a better balance as you will reduce the increased understeer, introduced by the lower offset in the rear.
I was thinking of doing 15-18mm in the front. I don't track the car. What would the effect be on normal drivability? Thanks
Don't do 18 mm in the front. It will greatly affect the steering roll center. The effect is not a minor thing felt only by racers, you will feel the car dart and be more prone to tramlining. If you really feel that 10-11mm is too little, see if you can live with Capristo 14mm then. Also, don't forget spacers greatly increase wear on hub bearings as well as ball joints. I've seen my share of people who fought hard to justify the changes they have made with aftermarket wheels and spacers, only to revert back a year or so later after getting properly tired of having a car that did not drive as well as the day they bought it. Can you optimize a car for better handling? Absolutely. But it is not done just by installing spacers or wheels sized for a chariot with über aggressive offsets. In your case, personally I'd go with Hill Engineering 11mm spacers in the front to counteract the understeer from the aggressive rear offset and leave it at that. I personally think the best way to fill the arches a bit, would be to use 9.5" wide wheels in the front and 11.5" in the rear and only lose about 4mm offset on all four corners, using the F12 MPSS tyre set. Alternatively the F12 wheel set with 10mm Novi spacers in the front and 25mm in the rear would work too. This has been done quite a few times, and not only looks good but also works well.
I just ordered yesterday 2 pairs of spacers, black anodised. I believe as well there is too much room between the edge of the wheels and the front/rear fenders. (Much cars share this issue, even the "exotics") But I also like when the car is nicer vs oem and you don't know why, like a discreet make up on a nice lady. So I ordered 4x11mm only; I will share when bolted.
From what I have gathered over the years. Especially when you are dealing with an AWD or 4x4 it is best to increase proportionately. I have always increased wheel spacers on all 4 wheels equally in order to keep the factory geometry while trying to increase the stance of the vehicle. I have been considering also doing 11mm all around on my FF and would love to see some pictures @altoria . If I were to plan on tracking my car on the regularly I would most likely not use spacers.
Ok guys, here are some pictures: right side is WITHOUT spacers and left/driver side is WITH the 11mm spacers. (Of course I ended bolting the 4 ) Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
