I bought the FF secondhand in October 2016 with 2,700 miles, so it’s seen over 6,000 miles per year in my hands. Plus, a few track days just for fun. No 4wd or F1 errors. The passenger display stopped working once and then miraculously came back to life. Otherwise bulletproof. I don’t doubt that there’s a potential issue. Just providing my personal experience. The internet sometimes tends to draw more negative than positive experiences. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I just bought a Ferrari FF and I too got the manetinno error. After 2 weeks they received confirmation that the PTU needs to be replaced and they got approval from Maranello. Parts are being shipped from New Jersey. The warranty is huge!
It seems like there are numerous instances reported of multiple failures in the same car whereas some like TTforcefed have zero issues after a healthy amount of mileage. It makes me wonder if there is another contributing factor / flaw to the car that triggers these failures dealers are not looking for. As someone mentioned earlier perhaps there is just not enough volume of these running thru each dealer for them to begin to recognize a correlation between these failures occurring. Sure this may be overblown and it's one thing for it to fail in the first place but a whole other issue / concern to make the $$ repair and still keep the roulette wheel spinning for the next possible failure. It would be wonderful if a dealer or owner who has seen multiple failures in a single car had any data available to compare against those "bullet proof" cars service history. Greg
Ive had the 4wd manettino issue in the past. Went away a cple years ago. My independent said some wires or something got cramped under a piece and thats all it was. 32k miles and going strong. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Based on reading these issues, I wonder if the Purosangue will adapt this or go with something more conventional. I think that will tell us something in their belief in this system.
Spoke to my dealer when i collected the Lusso after its 2nd service at 14000 miles. He confirmed they have never changed one and none of the cars they have sold and service has had any issues. When I mentioned the thread and how not uncommon the problem seems to be he re-confirmed it is not an issue they have had to deal with. Having said that the Power Train Warranty at £3,400 a year covers all mechanical issues from the PTU back to the gearbox including all drive elements. Obviously wear items are excluded such as the PTU clutch but that has a potential life span well beyond the normal usage. Having enjoyed numerous Promo events with the Lusso V12 where dealers cars and those provided directly by Ferrari with nominal mileage are put through their paces (Launch Starts, Maximum speed runs on the measured mile, Track days where 3rd and 4th are more often used in anger on turns and chicanes plus the general encouragement to see what the car can do I'm not surprised to hear some cars have issues. If I were in the market for a used Lusso I would definitely try and remember the reg numbers. I bought my 2015 FF and 2017 Lusso new and religiously kept the load and revs down for the first 1000mls then gradually let it breath as the mileage increased. With mostly longish runs to Italy and back with a mixture of neck exercises up and down the Gotardo and Stelvio the car feels so much noticeably better than when new. At 4 years if still mine I shall definitely get the power train warranty which compared to depreciation is a snip.
can someone recap what they believe to be the actual symptoms of a ptu that going to fail? im very confused by this.
i think we shld merge this thread into this one: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ptu-design-flaw.605529/#post-146773095
Sorry i shld have been more precise. Ive been told fna pushes dealers to conclude that they shldnt cover the ptu by blaming the cause on something else which isnt covered. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
What is interesting to me is that when I got all my paperwork back from the dealer on what they did.....battery change, check fluids, door recall work, not doing the airbag recall, etc....over 2 pages of service work.....not one mention of the the PTU.....interesting....
As a point of interest, I believe that total FF production was just under 2,300 units. Not the low 100s as postulated earlier in the thread. Based on Ferrari SF service experience, the failure rate of the PTU in their fleet of customer cars was about 5% per annum.
As a Lusso V12 owner and former FF owner who has covered 15,000 trouble free miles in both cars, i was keen to find out more. I called my UK dealer that i've had an 11 year relationship with and they have had one 2012 FF that had a 'gearbox issue' and no Lusso gearbox/PTU issues so far. Just trying to get an idea of how frequent the problem arises.
wide world of ferrari had one FF ptu replacement and it was due to the owner bumping into a wall with the car. idk about lussos
This all thing reminds me of an argument I have with my wife all the time regarding social media. It seems that issues do exist but they are not that frequent ; however social media reports more the negative than positive and it is pretty scary Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yup, just like random people googling signs and symptoms for whatever they have, and then suddenly everything benign just become a cancer! So I will just stop looking at these threads until one day something came up... Just enjoy your car and deal with it when the problems show.
U nailed it! My wife has been driving me nuts with vaccines for kids just bc her research shows some have harmed kids, sure some do but a lot less than they save lives... it’s a stretch to compare the PTU to a vaccines but u get my drift. This reminds me to the differential issues on testarossa : most claims it will fail...it wasn’t great for sure, but it depends how u drive too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
