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  1. JTSE30

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    #1 JTSE30, Sep 19, 2021
    Hope this isn't true...
    @day355 any clues here??

    https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/ferrari-will-turbocharge-its-v12-factory-sources-say/

    from the story:

    If, as rumored, Ferrari drops a V12 into its upcoming Purosangue SUV, then that too would probably be a natural fit for a turbocharged V12 and its strong low-rev pull, while all-wheel drive would help control a power output that could theoretically top 1000 hp in its most extreme form. That would really set Ferrari’s crossover out from the crowd.

    Conversely, turbocharging (along with hybrid V12 power) would also enable Ferrari to endow its next hypercar with the muscle necessary to put the kind of clean air between itself and the LaFerrari that the LaFerrari did between itself and its Enzo predecessor.

    Or could Ferrari keep that halo car turbo-free, a spectacular last gasp for naturally aspirated power before capitulating to the EV age? We’ve heard Ferrari say that its next hypercar will focus on agility rather than brute power. Ferrari also claims it has a few tricks up its sleeve to keep the V12 going in its current form as evidenced by the extra 30 hp it gained in the transformation from the 789 hp (800 PS) 812 Superfast to the 819 hp (830 PS) 812 Competizione.

    Whatever comes next, we don’t doubt it will be packing some ingenious technical innovations. But it sounds like the days of the pure, unadulterated naturally aspirated, unassisted V12 are numbered.
     
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  2. therryzsx

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    #2 therryzsx, Sep 20, 2021
    I say this one time before: V12 need to be NA or there should be no V12 at all. V12 turbo will have crappy sound and it will be heavier than V8 turbo
     
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  3. MDEL

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    #3 MDEL, Sep 20, 2021
     
  4. MDEL

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    #4 MDEL, Sep 20, 2021
    Today only Ferrari and Lamborghini are making road cars powered by naturally aspirated V12 engines because the other existing V12s engines, namely the ones made by BMW and Mercedes, are turbocharged. Lamborghini already announced a replacement for the Aventador that will feature a plug-in hybrid powertrain based around the V-12 internal-combustion mill and we wonder what Ferrari will do with the successor of the 812.
    With the emissions restrictions and the need to have an engine that each time has to produce more power in order to keep ahead of the competition, an hybrid powertrain or a turbocharged V12 are the "easy" answers to the problem. I hope that those few easy tricks will come out of Ferrari's sleeve and that way the unassisted NA V12 dream will be kept alive at least for some more years.
     
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  5. Ale55andr0

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    #5 Ale55andr0, Sep 20, 2021
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    v12 turbo will have lot of torque and lot of power, and doesn't sound like a v6 or b8 turbo. I'm celebrating at this news!
     
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  6. day355

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    #6 day355, Sep 20, 2021
    F 167 will be NA for the first option.
    There is a second option, but no turbo.
    It will depend on the date of homologation.
     
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  7. Theothertopgearfan

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    #7 Theothertopgearfan, Sep 20, 2021
    Is the 2nd option a hybrid? Hope it is instead of the turbo
     
  8. Caeruleus11

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    #8 Caeruleus11, Sep 20, 2021
    I sincerely hope no turbo for V12.
     
  9. Il Co-Pilota

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    #9 Il Co-Pilota, Sep 20, 2021
    If they only do it to the FUV, who cares. Then it's actually a benefit with its torque.

    As for the 812 replacement, we can hope for pure n/a or hybrid assist n/a.

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  10. ryalex

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    #10 ryalex, Sep 20, 2021
    I've heard the new 812 replacement will be hybrid a la SF90... if you want NA V12 keep your GTS!
     
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  11. sunghyun7

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    #11 sunghyun7, Sep 20, 2021
    V12 turbo sounds exciting to me. With right positioning of the wastegates (possibly inline wg's), it can be close to NA sound when the gasses are being bypassed and nearing full power. I have faith Ferrari will get it right.
     
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    #12 Il Co-Pilota, Sep 20, 2021
    I don't mind hybrid. N/A V12 with hybrid torque fill would be awesome - especially in a more gt oriented car. Torque fill is great as long as Ferrari can't program a gearbox to save their life. If only they would let them downshift properly and quit the idiotic constant "relearning", it would be a bit less needed. Driving a Ferrari V12 in Auto is annoying as hell and a GT should be able to drive properly in Auto.

    Ferrari, learn from Porsche please.

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    #13 Altoria F, Sep 21, 2021
    Agree, true, but I finally like it more than the Porsche because of the more involving experience
     
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    #14 aobao1993, Oct 10, 2021
    What is F167？？？？
     
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    #15 john Owen, Oct 11, 2021
    Took my son to Maranello last week for a tour of the factory and Fiorano track, The factory guys we spoke to insinuated that the 812s replacement would be driven by a much smaller capacity V12 with some form of hybrid assist. We forgot to ask on whether it'll also have turbos fitted however this will depend on the capacity of the new V12.
     
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  16. JTSE30

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    #17 veelangs, Oct 11, 2021
    all the more reason to want one of these NA beauts :)
     
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  19. day355

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    #19 day355, Oct 12, 2021
    in my eyes, in a good way !
     
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  20. aobao1993

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    #20 aobao1993, Oct 15, 2021
    Do you have more information about ICONA？
     
  21. day355

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    #21 day355, Oct 15, 2021
    some, but not on the details of the content.
     
  22. jpalmito

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    #22 jpalmito, Oct 15, 2021

    Do you prefer a front or back view?;)
     
  23. day355

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    #23 day355, Oct 15, 2021
    About F 167 or next Icona ?
     
  24. jpalmito

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    #24 jpalmito, Oct 16, 2021
    F167
     
  25. day355

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    #25 day355, Oct 16, 2021
    It is the complete opposite of the 812, so fluid and pure.
    No further question please.
     
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