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  1. JazzyO

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    #26 JazzyO, Jun 27, 2012
    Don't forget that he actually drove off in the 550 Barchetta.... :)


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    #27 JeremyJon, Jun 27, 2012
    sadly the original site for purchasing these dvds is down, but on amazon they can be had, the sets are better value IMO ...original site clearanced them for $25 each, which is about what a 6-set goes on amazon
     
  3. miurasv

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    #29 thepinkumbrella, Jun 28, 2012
    He occasionally writes a column in Classic & Sports Car and I recall one particular story he wrote about the time he had a Porsche 917(?) for sale, a chap, who only introduced himself as Steve called showing some interest and arranged a viewing.
    Anyway, Steve, was in fact Steve Mcqueen who turned up to see this Porsche with a view to buying the car for the filming of Le Mans if my memory serves me correctly, but it wasn't the Porsche that got his attention it was some motorbike (cant recall what). McQueen requested a ride/drive of the bike to which de Cad obliged only for McQueen to never return, the bike was found a couple of days later with an apologetic note attached.

    I do not have the copy to hand so excuse me if there are any errors in this story and it probably tells more of McQueen than it does Alain.

    Paul
     
  5. miurasv

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    #30 miurasv, Jun 30, 2012
    You can see the huge effort that went into the production of these superb videos in this film. It may not be possible now or in the future to gather so many important cars for the making of a series like this again due to the astronomic value of these cars.

    They'll look and sound even better on DVD and a great reference too. I've got the set ordered.

    The Making of Victory by Design: http://www.streetfire.net/video/the-making-of-victory-by-design_2056884.htm
     
  6. djfrens

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    #31 djfrens, Jul 2, 2012
    The DVD's are the best I have ever seen....
    I sold my modern F to get a historic toycar..:)
     
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    #32 msdesignltd, Mar 16, 2025
    Cant find the ferrari video, can someone post a link
     
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    #33 Jack-the-lad, Mar 18, 2025
    It’s a shame he didn’t get around to writing his memoir.
     
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    #34 Christian.Fr, Mar 22, 2025
    Alain de Cadenet was a driver who competed in the Panamericana race and before at Le Mans several times, finishing in 76 in third place on the podium.
    He was also working in deferent TV show . Victory by Design DVDs are to be seen and enjoyed.

    Alain de Cadenet was also an authority in other fields such as stamps; he had an incredible collection.
     
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    #35 msdesignltd, Mar 22, 2025
    The scene where he walks up to the yelloe P3/4...Is totally AWESOMME
     
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    GREAT...Thank You!!!!
    Somehow I cant copy link...
    How To?
    I want to send it to someone!
     
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    412 P 0850 was owned by Mr Pappalardo here as well as the 250 Testa Rossa 59/60 0774 TR, the 1960 Buenos Aires 1000 KM and 1960 Le Mans winner at the time of the video.

    Pininfarina did not design the P3, 412 P or P4 and the bodies were not bult by Drogo.
     
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    #41 msdesignltd, Mar 23, 2025
    Now… looking for the Jaguar link???
     
  17. miurasv

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    #42 miurasv, Mar 23, 2025
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    Fantastic story telling as usual by the late great racer DeCad.

    Not wanting to make a post criticising all the great information and enthusiasm by Alain in the video, however, a few corrections:

    The 166 MM did not win the Targa Florio. A 166 S and a 166 C won the event in 1948 and 1949 but did not win in 1950 coming 2nd OA and 1st IC. The 166 MM Barchetta in the video, 0040M, entered the 1950 Mille Miglia but had a fatal accident. 166 MM Barchetta, 0008M, did win both the Mille Miglia and Le Mans in 1949, so yes probably among the most important cars in Ferrari Sports Car History.

    The Pontoon 250 Testa Rossa is a 1958 built car, 0752 TR, not a 1957 car. It never raced with disc brakes in period. The drum brakes on the 1957/8 250 TRs were not uprated with disc brakes. Disc brakes were not introduced and implemented until the 1959 model 250 Testa Rossa. (0752 TR is now Ferrari Classiche certified with drum brakes.)

    The 1960 Dino 246 F1 car was not virtually identical with a slightly different body to the 1958 Dino 246 F1 Hawthorn Championship winning car. It was an entirely different car with a different chassis.

    The Dino 246 GT/S road cars had a claimed 195 BHP, not 210 -220.

    Pininfarina did not design the body of the 1962/3 250 GTO.

    7 1964 Series 2 250 GTOs were built with 4 of them being rebodies of 1962/3 250 GTOs.

    The alloy LN 275 GTB is not a Torque Tube car.

    The yellow Prototype is not a P3 (which had fuel injection not carburettors) but a 412 P. It was designed in house by Edmondo Casoli headed by Mauro Forghieri using the Stuttgart Wind Tunnel, not by Pininfarina and the bodies were not built by Piero Drogo. Ing. Forghieri told me the body was a factory construction.

    The 512 S had 550 BHP, not 590 and the modified 512 M 610 BHP not 630.
     
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    #43 msdesignltd, Mar 23, 2025
    At the time of Video, I was under the impression that Lawrence Stroll owned the P4...???
     
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    #44 Jack-the-lad, Mar 23, 2025
    Classic and Sports Car magazine used to have…and perhaps still does…a column called Pedant of the Month in which readers would submit corrections of errors that they spotted in the magazine. And there was a column on the last page that DeCad contributed to that was so full of errors that I sent in the corrections. I hated to do it, but I just couldn’t let it go because if a dilettante such as I could spot them they must have been pretty obvious. Anyway I blame editors for things like that. Eventually the editor declared me Pedant-in-Chief. I wish ADC would have used the time to write his memoir instead.:)
     
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    #45 miurasv, Mar 23, 2025
    If you're referring to the yellow car, it's not a P4 (or a 330 P3), but a 412 P. Chassis number 0850. Lawrence Stroll was the next owner. Now owned by Harry Yeaggi. Some of the sections in the video are shot in different years. See the credits for the owners at the end of the video.
     
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    #46 miurasv, Mar 23, 2025
    Just found this on YT. Not seen it myself yet.

     
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    #47 miurasv, Mar 23, 2025
    See post here in the British Section.
     
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    #49 readplays, Mar 23, 2025
    Harry Yeaggy. ;)
     
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    #50 Timmmmmmmmmmy, Mar 24, 2025
    #0003 was with Bernie Ecclestone, #0005 in the Biscaretti Collection and #0007 with a V12 engine in the UK with Neil Corner. So I don't believe any of them would release their cars. #0004 and #0006 were the two Bamford commissioned, Graypaul Motors built 246F1s built around their original engines and various parts from their spares collections. #0006 was the John Foulston car and I believe for sale at the time. The building behind de Cadenet looks like one of the dealers Mews Garages, possibly Gregor Fiskens but could be any of the well known dealers in 2003.
     
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