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Ferrari Tour de France history found

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  1. Writer

    Writer Rookie

    Jul 24, 2014
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    Back in 1978, I bought 0911GT, the 1958 Ferrari Tour de France Berlinetta, which won the 1958 Mille Miglia, and also won the Italian GT Championship, (up to 3 litres), that year also.

    I kept and raced her, (including three Retro Mille Miglias), until the early 1990s, when I sold her and moved on.

    Recently, I went back to England, (I have lived in Florida, USA since 1997), and discovered, amongst very old paperwork, two large files and a photograph album covering the history of 0911GT up to when I sold her. There are cuttings from Italian newspapers and magazines from 1958, photos of when she raced in period, complete race and hill climb history, invoices for work done, tax discs, MOTs, the lot.
    If the present owner of 0911GT, (or any other interested party), is interested in acquiring this stack of long term history, I'll be happy to help them acquire it.
     
  2. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    John, your former 0911 GT (for which you paid US$ 19'500) was very recently sold to a Switzerland based foreign collector. The car is currently at the factory in Maranello being restored, repainted, and finally certified (red book). It is going to be gunmetal gray with red leather interior.

    Marcel Massini
     
  3. Writer

    Writer Rookie

    Jul 24, 2014
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    Marcel,

    Thank you very much for this news. Do you know the new owner? Might he want this historical info? I seem to recollect that I paid an actual GBP14,000.00 for 0911 GT and had to get on my knees before my then bank manager to borrow £5000.00 towards acquiring it!
     
  4. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    Welcome here! Nice to see yet another famous name on this forum. Your book on the TdF was one of the very first Ferrari books I bought.

    Best, Peter
     
  5. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    Aug 1, 2002
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    I agree. Great to have you here, John.
     
  6. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    John, yes, of course I know the new owner.
    I am going to see him in 3 weeks in Monterey. Will ask him.

    Marcel Massini
     
  7. Writer

    Writer Rookie

    Jul 24, 2014
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    Thanks Marcel!

    John
     
  8. Ed Niles

    Ed Niles Formula 3
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    Sep 7, 2004
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    John, you should share here the story of how you first saw the car and how you later became the owner of the same car. (The abbreviated version, of course!)
     
  9. Gran Drewismo

    Gran Drewismo F1 Rookie

    Jan 24, 2005
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    John Starkey?

    I don't know who this is, just did a search on Amazon for the book.
     
  10. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
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    May 10, 2006
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    John!
    What a fantastic thread. Kind thanks for bringing this historical discovery to light publicly
     
  11. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

    Oct 31, 2003
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    Always wanted to know; what's the history behind the name TdF?
    Love these threads
     
  12. readplays

    readplays F1 Rookie

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    abbreviation for Tour de France, in the same way Ferrari memorialized other races they had success in by naming models after them; MM (mille miglia), TF (targa florio), Monza, Indy (Indianapolis 500), LM (le mans).
     
  13. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

    Oct 31, 2003
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    Yes; kind of figured that. Just didn't know the origin of the race
     
  14. readplays

    readplays F1 Rookie

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    Very similar to the Tour underway (on bikes) right now, the auto TdF (was) a race contested over the french countryside in stages.
    A Panhard won the first race in 1899. Ferrari won numerous times in the 1950's and 1960's. Last race was 1986. Later came the retro/rally Tour Auto. I have friends that did and they said it was spectacular.
     
  15. Writer

    Writer Rookie

    Jul 24, 2014
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    Ed-How good to hear from you, will give you a call.

    At Ed's suggestion: If anyone is interested in Ferrari 250 GT "Tour de France" Berlinettas, and how I found mine, (through Ed!),

    go to:JOHN STARKEY CARS :: GRYFON INC.

    It's too long to shorten succinctly.
     
  16. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    Hi there are a number of copies of this book available at a wide variety of prices, If you Google "Ferrari books and literature" or "Ferrari literature and collectables" they will lead you to a wide variety of sources.It may take a while but in the process you will find all kinds of stuff. tongascrew
     
  17. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    Yes please do. Thanks tongascrew
     
  18. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    Hi very simple, Just Google Tour de France auto or automobile. It's all there, tongascrew
     
  19. Writer

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    Jul 24, 2014
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    Some time ago, Ed Niles suggested that I write the story of how I acquired 0911GT, way back in 1979, so here goes….

    Many years ago, in the late 1970s, I bought a 1958 Ferrari 250 GT "Tour de France" Berlinetta.

    I've written about her before but not for a long time and, coupled with my feelings about old cars today, I thought it might be a good idea to take a look back at that car and see what's happened as she's gone from THE GT class winning racecar that she was in 1958, to the blue-chip revered icon of fine art that she's turned into today.

    0911GT was built, if memory serves me right, in May, 1958 and almost immediately entered in the truncated version of that once great road race, the Mille Miglia. The original version of that truly death-defying race had been stopped in 1957, after the Marquis Alfonso de Portago had crashed into the crowd, killing himself, his navigator and several other bystanders. It then became a rally around the Dolomites which was won by Luigi Taramazzo, 0911's first owner. Taramazzo, incidentally, had a string of 250GT Berlinettas before switching his allegiance to Porsche in the 1960s and racing, I believe, a 904 and then a 906.

    Taramazzo and 0911 GT then took the class win in the Trento-Bondone hill climb on July 13 and a week later Taramazzo and 0911 GT wwere overall victors at the Garessio-San Bernardo hillclimb.
    The Coppa Intereuropa was held at Monza on September 7 and on the fast 4.65-mile Grand Prix track, against heavy opposition, Taramazzo in 0911 GT took overall victory and was not that much slower than Tony Brooks’s Van Wall Grand Prix car.
    The Pontedecimo-Giovi hill climb came next on Septem-
    ber 28, and Taramazzo and 0911 took second over-
    all and first in GT. It was then back to Monza, for the Coppa San Ambroeus and again Luigi Taramazzo came home second overall and second in the GT class.
    Taramazzo was crowned Italian National GT champion and then, after just one more race, traded the car back to Ferrari for yet another 250 GT Berlinetta.

    After a few more owners, 0911GT was bought in the early 1960s by Paddy McNally, who is today better known for his association with one Bernard Ecclestone. It then went to a wealthy young man, Paul Kay, and it was whilst it was in his ownership, during 1962, that I first encountered her.

    I'd been to our local pub, "The Boot" at Mappleborough Green in England with my friend Allen Goodall and, despite it being evening, there was no mistaking the sleek lines of the then black Ferrari in the carpark.

    To cut a long story short, Allen swiftly found out who owned the car and introduced himself! It turned out that Paul Kay only lived locally to my parents house, where I was living then and, at the end of the evening, he gave me a lift home, a distance of some eighteen miles.

    Like many before and since, that ride changed my life; My father had been fortunate enough to own a string of saloon/sedan Jaguars but nothing came close to that Ferrari on rural roads in 1961 England. Paul Kay said we hit 140 mph on the Alcester Road on the way home and I happily believed him. He mentioned the fact that it had won the 1958 Mille Miglia and that fact stayed with me for life. He offered me the car for £1750 but, as I pointed out to him, I didn't have 1750 pennies then.

    Years later, I bought 0911GT. In 1979 to be precise. By then, I had made some money and, remembering her chassis number, I placed an advertisement in the Ferrari Owners' Club newsletter for her, which was answered by Ed Niles, a Ferrari broker in Los Angeles. I'm happy to say that Ed and his charming wife Phoebe, are friends to this day.

    Ed had recently sold 0911GT to Dennis Autrey, Gene Autrey, the Cowboy star's son, and, at six feet three inches tall, he was somewhat compressed in the Ferrari's cockpit. When asked by Ed, he happily consented to a sale for some £14,000.00, (if memory serves me right-which it probably doesn't). I didn't have all the money and went to my local bank manager for a loan. He refused. I pushed back the chair I had been sitting in and got down on my knees and begged him for the money. Somewhat astonished at this unconventional application for a loan, he agreed to give me the money!

    I then embarked on a twelve year love affair with 0911GT. Oh sure, she was now back to being red and that nose was still somewhat offshape from a previous accident, and the engine finally blew a head gasket on me but she was mine! I did the Mille Miglia re-run three times, driving each time from England to Italy and also started taking her to track days and did the odd historic/vintage race with her, which she never failed to finish and then get me safely back home.

    But then I bought a Lola T70 Mark 111b coupe in 1990, a designed for the job racecar and, suddenly, just like that, 0911 GT was no longer the love of my life and I sold her for an absolute fortune, compared to what I had paid for her twelve years previously.

    And now comes the rub; The next owner gave 0911GT a complete restoration but, in doing so, removed the nose and, I believe, the front fenders also and re-made them from new. When I next saw her at a concours, I had difficulty equating this concours queen with the 0911 GT that had been mine. Somehow, the spark that had been the character/personality of her was gone, ironed out of her with all the old parts that had been replaced. Oh sure, she was still 0911GT but she wasn't the 0911GT that I'd owned and loved.

    Perhaps this is sour grapes on my part. After all, she is now worth what? $10m plus and that's a lot of money.

    So here's the thing: We're still seeing rich folk buying very expensive old cars, particularly Ferrari competition cars. Just like old masters in the art World, these cars are now valued extremely highly.

    In my experience, most wealthy people are clever; that is not to say intelligent, or original, although some are. As a breed, they put their money into what they perceive as assets, recoverable for cash when a rainy day comes and, just like blue chip shares and fine art, there seems to be no "top" in sight. But then again, there are only so many of the "best" cars around, aren't there? And that all depends on what you define as "best"...
     
  20. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    John, thank you for sharing!
     
  21. Writer

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    Jul 24, 2014
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    Oh, and a couple of wise words from my old friend Allen Goodall, an excellent body man from England, who later on helped to rebuild the old Drogo bodywork off 2735GT:

    One night whilst approaching the Boot Inn in Mappleborough Green in England in circa 1964/5, I saw that there was a 250 GTO parked there. "Look Allen!" I said, in awe. "A GTO. They didn't make many of those." Allen hardly broke his stride entering the pub, but was heard to mutter: "That's 'cos they were crap!"
     
  22. nschots

    nschots Formula Junior

    Jan 7, 2011
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    Great story, John! Thank you for sharing.
    IMHO, this kind of stories give more value to the cars.

    Bests,

    N.-
     
  23. wizzells

    wizzells Karting

    Jul 16, 2005
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    Milwaukee, WI
    Great story and account of the ownership.
    Thanks for sharing it!
     
  24. wlanast

    wlanast Formula 3
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    Jan 9, 2007
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    Wow, so great of you to share that with us, John!

    Thank you very much!
     
  25. ted walker

    ted walker Karting

    Feb 7, 2009
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    Johns missed out a "few owners" on the way !!! It was bought from the late John Broad, by my good friend Sir Anthony Stamer. It would have been him that compiled the file. I have a lot of photos of the car in my archive.
     

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