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Ferrari Service of Bedford!!!!

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  1. Mr. Nice Guy

    Mr. Nice Guy Formula Junior

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    I wanted to take a moment to express my gratitude to Ferrari Service of Bedford! I took my 1985 308qv in for a a clutch service. David Feinberg wasn't only knowledgeable, but displayed his passion for these cars in ways I can't begin to explain!

    First, he had to deal with issues that would have stopped most mechanics dead in their tracks - the nut that requires a special tool was badly damaged by a previous hack, but that didn't stop David! He not only installed the new clutch, rear main seal, and new nut - but also took the time to service the input shaft seal, the shifter arm bearing (I hope I've properly named it), cleaned everything, adjusted the clutch play,... And then helped me with a fuel filter replacement (which was also a botched issue from the previous mechanic - requiring a new fuel line and fitting)...

    I can't say enough good things about FSOB - truly David is a perfectionist that understands every aspect of these cars...I highly recommend his services to anyone with a 308 (or any other model - there was a 550 being serviced there too!)
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    I have known dave for many years. I think he has such a passion for these cars but he such a perfectionist that he is very special in his role. there are not many like him and I congratulate you on finding him to service your car.

    I wish my boxer was in his shop getting serviced right now!!!
     
  3. Badman

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    Apparently Rob Lay doesn't feel the same way. David has been banned again simply for pointing out Rob's own rules to him. I don't know why Rob is purposely driving away the pros, but they seem to be leaving here like rats leaving a sinking ship. I have to frequent the other forums to actually get professional advice anymore. Makes me wonder why I keep up my membership here...
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Have a look around.

    Not many left.

    Look up post history for the regulars.
     
  5. stevel48

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    David has moved on to the alternate Ferrari forum site so you won't see much of him here anymore.
     
  6. Mr. Nice Guy

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    It truly is sad that Rob is killing the proverbial golden goose - a penny wise and a pound foolish. You'd think that he'd show some flexibility and work more closely with the experts that give SO much value to this board - instead of trying to squeeze them for cash sponsorships...

    You reap what you sow...
     
  7. Badman

    Badman Formula 3

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    Judging by rifledrivers post, he's not the only one.
     
  8. rob lay

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    Please, cry me a river. Don't blame me for temperamental local mechanics that behave like entitled socialists. We have many similar regional mechanics that are sponsors like Norwood Performance, Competizione, and Groot's. It is a slap in the face of those that invest their hard earned dollars to expect the same for nothing. Just like an entitled socialist there are those that expect all the benefits without all the input.

    We have discussed with David many times over the years what is allowed and not. The key point is David has purposely and with intent broken the guidelines. It isn't a case of receiving no warning, we have gone to great lengths to work with David, but he has gone to great lengths to work against us. There are a few like David and Rifle, but they are the exception. We have over 20 members in our private professional Ferrari Tech group that David or Rifle have never been members of. All the members are active and positive contributing members of the community. Yes there are a few bad apples and they may be OK offline, but there is no reason we should make exceptions for a couple toxic users online when their peers operate within the rules and guidelines without issue.
     
  9. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    lol...so if you have any tech skills and you are not a sponsor you get run off just to keep it fair for the guys who have bought their way in? lol...what a joke.
     
  10. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    oh and please explain the difference between "small local" and "regional" shops?

    I assume you are attempting to help us understand that a "small local" shop is a joke compared to a "regional paying sponsor shop"?"
     
  11. rob lay

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    The joke is you are trying to argue when it is clear you don't know anything about our guidelines, history with David, or about all those in David's peer group who operate within the guidelines and without cry baby drama. Out of our 20 Professional Ferrari Tech users only about 5 are Sponsors. I have 60+ sponsors, I don't care about adding 1 more. It is simply about staying within same guidelines as everyone else and not trying to bully yourself into more than your fellow professional techs. Sponsors rightly get a few commercial perms because of what they invest and professional Ferrari techs do too, but rightly they aren't the exact same set of perms.

    David isn't on temp ban for not being a sponsor, he's on temp ban for years of "treat me special" unruliness. This is about round 5 of trying to work it out with David and that is to level of temp ban.
     
  12. rob lay

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    Not sure what you mean, I call independent Ferrari shops all regional or I guess sometimes small local. I didn't mean to indicate any difference.
     
  13. Badman

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    Rob, your hostile post says everything I need to know. You have a 'private group' of your friends, and for everybody else you are simply interested in taking people's money. Got it.
     
  14. rob lay

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    You are feeding off much misinformation or more likely you are trying to write a story to your own liking that is simply fictitious. There isn't a small private group of my friends. There is a group of 20+ professional Ferrari techs that are valuable members of the community, respected and trustworthy in their business, and more importantly they do it without drama or thinking they are special beyond their hard working peers. How many independent Ferrari shops are there in the states? The answer is not too many more than 20. Our group includes most of the big names everyone already knows. David would have been part of the group if not choosing to go rouge against the grain. There isn't a macro problem, it is unique and isolated.
     
  15. wax

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    As Site Administrator, Owner & Member Number One, Rob's bent over backwards to accommodate some who literally and figuratively tell him to bend over the other way.


    via rubber ducky
     
  16. Mr. Nice Guy

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    So, basically it sounds like there's a disconnect between the intrinsic value someone like David provides to the membership here... and how his contributions are valued by the management. You make mention of "bending over backwards" - yet offer no examples... sounds like an arbitrary enforcement of the rules to me.

    It would seem to make sense to make nice with the people that are actual Ferrari experts - rather than the ones that just think they know what they're doing (which David corrects time and again). Why intentionally piss off the guys that really know what's going on with these cars? Why not bend over backwards to make those very valuable experts feel welcome and wanted?

    In my opinion - this is a clear case of ego overriding good business sense... what do you have to lose by treating David better?

    I certainly know what you're already losing by chasing David off... membership and experts... and giving the other Ferrari chat board a boost. You're also creating a hostile environment that doesn't serve your membership in the least bit... isn't the purpose of this board to HELP your fellow Ferrari enthusiasts? Can you explain how you're doing that by making David leave?
     
  17. rob lay

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    no, there is a disconnect how David can choose to participate on FerrariChat and that there are guidelines you must follow after you choose. David was trying to set his own personal guidelines that were different from his fellow peers. He thought he was playing FerrariChat, but actually he was just disrespecting his fellow professional Ferrari techs.

    everything is perfectly documented, there is a log of mod warnings and actions since the beginning that reference what the user did and how we worked with the user progressively from nice = bending over backwards to "I don't think the message is getting across" = trying to bend me over the other way.

    you are not getting this part. I'm not talking about the masses of DIY guys offering advice, I'm talking about professional Ferrari techs that do this for a living. that is the qualification for the Professional Ferrari Tech group (no DIY'ers) along with being good ambassador for the community and meeting our guidelines. you are telling me guys like James Patterson, Wil Groot, Tom Bakowsky, Paul Newman, and Karl Troy among the 15 others "just think they know what they're doing". that is VERY disrespectful to guys that work on Ferraris for a living and are very helpful to our community staying within the guidelines while also receiving the benefits for the value they add.

    Please tell me why David should be treated more special than the other Professional Ferrari Techs? That is simply what David is asking of FerrariChat and it sounds like you are too.
     
  18. Chef

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    Let me put my 2cents in, which is rarely but this is burning me,

    With all the money Dave has made over the years with members here (and he's not cheap) and less support for new comers when he was a consultant here, i can't believe David is trying to cut corners and not support the forum. And then goes to another site and Sticks it to Rob.

    Rob you did the right thing.
     
  19. Badman

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    You're not making any sense, Artie (if that really is you, and not your brother). David didn't stick it to Rob. Rob banned him. So he is now over in the other forum offering the free help and advice he was gladly offering here.

    But honestly, Rob, it's kind of low to be making accusations about a professional mechanic here after you've banned him so he cannot reply. Be a decent guy and either delete this thread or allow him to respond.
     
  20. rob lay

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    #20 rob lay, May 27, 2013
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    we have dozens of other professional Ferrari techs offering advice. they do it without crying, drama, bad mouthing, and breaking guidelines. still don't understand what makes David so entitled to be treated special over his professional peers?

    LOL, David sends a plant to post, most the users posting only do so when something negative to say, and then after I bring some truth and reason to the thread you want to run with tail between your legs? If you can't walk the talk, then don't talk. :D

    I didn't start this thread, I didn't make false accusations as the first posters in this thread did, and David knows how to contact me. It is no different Andrew won't approve my posts on FL. I use to defend FerrariChat in a respectable way on FL, but problem for Andrew I was making too much sense and it didn't fit the storyline of me and FerrariChat being evil. FL thrives off the FerrariChat lawless and past trolls. Even though our communities started the same time we have more activity in a day than they do in a month and they have been in a downward trend for a couple years while we haven’t. Can't beat the facts of the matter.

    I usually have a policy of not saving users from themselves, but I will show some mercy on you and David, everyone knows how to contact me offline. :eek:
     

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