Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Just because that's how a car was driven by someone on someday doesn't mean it's what a car is capable of. Ignore the idiot. He got nowhere proving the 918 was inferior so now he'll turn his attention to the LAF. All he had to do months ago is just say something like "this is all my opinion. I really like the P1. Id like to discuss it with anyone who wishes". Instead he responds to every post, rudely, contorting facts, arrogantly like a little spoiled child.

 

No the 1:23 was 1up 5:56-7:19. 5:44 - "now in the Atom alone."

Good one. Seems to have a lot of race videos for a non-pro, all in lightweight track cars too... hmmm.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Monzajp/videos

You still haven't explained this observation either.
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145234645-post21691.html

Time this sector starting at 3:00 between International Pits Straight finish line and National Pits Straight finis line. Unfortunately there's traffic on the remainder of the lap for Alex (first video, damp easily seen at 3:45), but the time between these two points is 1:09 for Alex and 1:08 for Oliver Webb, who just happens to be an LMP2 Champion and the BAC factory tester and 'probably the best driver no to have been in F1 yet. Royally screws up your argument about bad driver huh? Brief lift for traffic for Oliver, fine, and GT pass, so maybe take another second (at most) off, still a very good performance. Still partly damp after 'slippery' morning session in Alex's lap too. In the sector up to where Oliver briefly lifts to get inside line on car, 33s for both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHSFSvRyL4Y&t=180s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Lq0tO4dpQ&t=67s

How fast is Oliver in a Mono?
Hungaroring lap times - FastestLaps.com
Anglesey International GP lap times - FastestLaps.com
Oulton Park (Full Circuit) lap times - FastestLaps.com

Well have you measured the downforce of any of the other cars you mentioned (GT3 LMP2 etc.)? Nope. So what we have here is once again hypocrisy. You accuse me of doing the very thing you're doing. Depends where you look, different figures everywhere for LMP.

who has more down-force - LMP1 or F1? - Page 2 - F1technical.net

And again LMP is rule restricted like any pro series.

Why changes the subject to JGTC? We're talking about GT1. Strawmanning again, as usual. The 1995 F1 GTR race car was 1050kg. The 1996 car was 38kg lighter and the dry(?) weight of the 1997 LT was 910kg.

If I've seen a guy pulling less that 1.0g in corners and under braking during another test and the throttle telemetry show him going to full throttle only when he gets half way down the straight, it doesn't matter which car wins, especially if a GT3 RS on a Porsche track day beats your times in a hypercar.

If you're asking how many races Alex and Mikey have won, in 2016, podiums:

Mikey
1st - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/1%20-%20ESTORIL/opencarrera2.pdf
2nd - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/2%20-SPA/opencarrera1.pdf
3rd - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/4%20-%20SILVERSTONE/open_carrera2.pdf

Alex
3rd - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/2%20-SPA/opencarrera1.pdf
3rd - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/5%20-%20RBR/opencarrera2.pdf
3rd - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/6%20-%20MONZA/opencarrera1.pdf
1st - http://www.gtopen.net/contenuti/files/2016%20Season/6%20-%20MONZA/16-20%20Monza%20Race%202%20Result.pdf

In a highly competitive series, I'd call that respectable.

 

So what have I said that isn't a fact?

 

There are only 2 quarter times for the LaFerrari on a legitimate drag strip, where the elevation change from start to finish is compliant with rules. The magazine times were both down downhill. Whilst I suspect the LaF can break into the 10s on level ground fairly easily, the fact to date is that none officially have (both two times were 11.2s) and the trap speeds are well down of the 157mph claimed, both 142mph, which is far more telling because trap speed isn't as dependent on launch.

Ferrari LaFerrari First Test - Motor Trend

Meanwhile both magazine and P1 quarter results have given a 145-149mph trap speed, although the time does vary from 9.8-10.9s. 918 varies 140-145mph and 9.8-10.65s. So wrt quarters, the 918 is the quickest and the P1 is the fastest and the factory claims for the LaF were nonsense.

 

When did Ferrari claim 157 mph? They have never said anything like that. It still got 9.7s. The so called "downhill" is minimal, just barely outside the rules of NHRA, which are non applicable anyway outside of official competition in the US, not even Europe.

 

Solid piece of advice I reckon...

 

These were from the original claims for 0-300kph. The quarter times have since been correct in line with the downhill results.

Ferrari LaFerrari laptimes, specs, performance data - FastestLaps.com
https://m.facebook.com/Ferrari.LaFerrari2014/posts/328063977336183
Ferrari LaFerrari acceleration times - AccelerationTimes.com

People seem to have got that 9.6s@157mph from somewhere to.
LaFerrari 1/4 mile in 9.6 @ 157 mph, P1 1/4 mile 9.8 @ 148.9 mph - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion
LaFerrari and McLaren P1 Quarter mile times
FerrariBoost - Automobile compares the Ferrari LaFerrari and McLaren P1 - 9.6 @ 157 1/4 mile for the LaFerrari? No laptimes?
Road and Track Mar 2015 has the P1 vs La Ferrari

Even re-stated on pages for die-cast models.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maisto-39129-Bausatz-LaFerrari-schwarz/dp/B00VZ2PQ7Y

But then they just delete the claim and pretend it never happened. How low can you go? I'll be surprised if they can make a LaF go much over 170mph in 15s as well.

 

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No point in arguing further.By the way people who have seen the video know who is right,I don't need to convince someone who will then again twist it as evidenced by your Mono time claim in last lap.

Because there is no point.

Because you said max weight is supposed to be 1200kg which is wrong.By the way the correct weight for GTR LT was 915kg.Max weight won't be in GT1.

The racecar and other engineering books dynoes the car when stating down force while magazines just state what the manufacturers claimed except sport auto perhaps.Which results in wrong value.So it is not the same.But since it is coming from Ron Dennis it must be true whatsoever.

I am pretty sure the telemetry was that of longitudinal g because lateral g should increase in corners not decrease.Anyone can tell that.By the way you don't know which tires 991 GT3 was run not many videos tell about that.But then again that is in YouTube so it must be true.And yeah in that case track and weather conditions cannot effect lap times since it would make P1 slower.

If true then it is good.There is a good reason why GM used Jim instead of Jan M for ZR1 ring time.I have already stated reasons for that.No time to explain again.

So yeah you can believe what you want.I don't care now.So if I produce videos on YouTube with lots of track testing,guess what?I will become a pro driver without even racing using your logic.And as always keep up your conspiracy theories.

 

Now, the only thing to figure out is if the 1:1 power scale was for the engineering only, or the whole drivetrain.
Aston Martin AM-RB 001 engine details revealed - Autocar India

 

So, because some anonymous bloke claimed something on a webiste, it means that Ferrari made that claim themselves? Wow, now I understand why everybody is so infuriated with your nonsence!


Ferrari officially claims the following numbers:

0-100 in less than 3s.
0-200 in less than 7s.
0-300 in 15s.

R&T recorded the following numbers:

"Without further ado...

LaFerrari - R&T Performance Test Results
0–30 mph: 1.1 seconds
0–60 mph: 2.4 seconds
0–100 mph: 4.7 seconds
0–150 mph: 9.8 seconds
Quarter Mile: 9.7 seconds @ 149.1 mph
In a nutshell, that's pretty quick. Quicker than both the Porsche 918 Spyder and Bugatti Veyron Supersport we tested.

Given these numbers, we assume that when you connect a VBOX to the Ferrari FXX K, a Wookiee in a Scuderia Ferrari firesuit magically appears in the passenger seat and the car simply makes the jump to hyperspace."


Anything else regarding Ferrari's claims is just stupid and unsubstantiated.

I will follow Jo Sta7's advice from now on and disregard all other "alternative facts", as a certain Mr Trump might have said.

 

What does it matter either way? It's roughly as fast as a 2up LFA on vastly inferior tyres. A car it would easily beat on a slower track. Aside from that, you don't know how good an Atom is relative to the Mono 2.3. The Atom 3.5R (350hp) on stock tyres is 3s faster than the Mono on Blyton (scales up to >4s at Goodwood), which is an even shorter circuit and you have no idea how good the driver is, but his video archive suggests a hell of a lot of lightweight race series driving.

Blyton Park Circuit lap times - FastestLaps.com

Because you can't because it doesn't fit your narrative.

1200kg is what I stated for a) GT3 (roughly) and b) what a P1 GTR would probably way as a maximum if it was designed fro a pro race series.

Sport Auto don't use a rolling road though, so their measurements are inaccurate. And once again you pulled quote for LMP2 downforce from the web, which are generic figures nad LMP2 downforce is reg restricted.

In the Salomondrin tests the bobble never goes beyond the 1.0g lateral either. And please, explain an NSX being 1s faster than an LT and faster than a ACR. Also explain GT3 RS being as fast as an LT and 0.7s behind an ACR. Also explain why the ACR is 5s slower than a 918 despite being 1s faster on Laguna. His times are all complete crap. His delta are >5s out vs the same deltas achieved by every other tester in the same cars, and you're complaining about 4s between different cars with non-stock tyres on Goodwood. Double standards much? Plus the driver admitted to driving at 85%.
http://www.germancarforum.com/goto/post?id=819576#post-819576
http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/porsche-918-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-laferrari-topgear-evo-etc.52070/page-100#post-819574

Random statement that doesn't even make sense wrt ZR1 comment.

Well you won't even accept that guys running 1-2s behind the world's best are decent drivers. And yeah, a guy who has two dozen videos of him racing superlights (and nothing else) is probably very good in such cars. Can you prove he isn't?

 

You haven't stopped yet Lie-ven? There is something just not right with your need to always be right. You need help, seriously.

 

So Lieven is still wasting his time trying to be the keyboard cowboy?

Yikes, sucks for him.

I did something more productive, went to Porsche Leipzig to take delivery of my 911R.
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No point in debating with you further for now only picking your Salomondrin point and pro driver point.

No in Salomondrin test it was clearly Longitudinal G which was displayed.You won't corner at speed if you only pull 0.1-0.6g.Anyone can see that if they noticed carefully.If anyone disagrees they will quote me on that.Also the telemetry doesn't match the numbers shown.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAh6dpBS40
Also I mentioned the tires on Atom 3 and never claimed it was stock.Anyway my point was to show that good wood is not a straight line speed track like you claimed.So that isn't comparable.Also I didn't put up the times to be put up on zeperfs or fastest laps.Funny how you disputed LFA time earlier and not to mention it was done by factory driver.

There is no proof whether he is a pro driver or not you can't claim he is a pro.I also never said he is not a pro though.It is that we juat don't know.So I think I should start uploading videos of track run and I think I would become a pro.

 

But don't drive it to home or race it around a track for more than 2laps.It could run out of fuel and wheels will come out too.Since it is made by Porsche after all.

 

But the Atom 3 driver does drive Atoms in competition, indicating that his experience with that car probably exceeds that of the average tester and it's on R888s (1.5+g on corners). And like I said, the Atom 3.5R on stock tyres was 3s faster than the Mono at Blyton anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Monzajp/videos

No, I said, "A P1 GTR built for the same purposes at the F1 GTR would weigh a maximum of 1200kg."
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145234623-post21685.html

The rest is irrelevant. I'm not doing the straw thing. The F1 GTR was designed for a pro race series, the P1 GTR was not.

What did you explain, nothing. I showed another video in a Mono, where he's getting within 1s of an LMP2 champion and Mono test driver in a Mono.

Yeah and the longitudinal 1.0g is at the second line, which is never crossed laterally either. And so suspicious that he doesn't display lateral g. The ACR should have been near the outside line on lateral g given MT's telemetry. The LT should have been making 1.3-1.4g not 0.9-1.1g too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twz49m_PE2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuO8qeHB8BU&t=2700s

Furthermore:

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/porsche-918-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-laferrari-topgear-evo-etc.52070/page-100#post-819574

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/porsche-918-vs-mclaren-p1-vs-laferrari-topgear-evo-etc.52070/page-100#post-819576

Yeah, so sandbagger extraordinaire, I rest my case.

I never said Goodwood was just about straight line speed, obviously you can still improve lap times there by going round corners faster but it is a fast power track, hence why an LFA on mediocre tyres with a passenger can beat these lightweights there. On Anglesey however, it would be the other way round entirely.

Well unless you actually know how good a driver he is, or the impact of R888 tyres, or how much faster the Atom should be than a Mono, then your comparison holds no water. And the Atom 3.5R is 3s faster than the Mono and stock tyres at Blyton anyway. But the guy seems to be taking part in a lot of lightweight race series for an average Joe, not to mention back-to-back sub-minute laps of Haute Saintenage in traffic. Which is faster than magazine testers made in 458s and ZR1s without the traffic, both of which are a lot faster than an LFA. Seems he's slower than A West on Silverstone though, 1:10 over same section, don't know about tyres though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcmcoNOrRwM&t=281s

 

Serious question though. What is the purpose of having a 911R relative to a GT3 RS, other than for speculative purposes?

 

let me answer it for him

it is pointless to buy a 911R other than to show of that i can drop 250k (with is more that what you wiill make in 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever years) in a blink of an eye like its nothing.

Just like it was pointless to buy the 94 Turbo 3.6.

Combining both cars, they are worth more than you will ever make in a life time. (Which I just spent in about one week.)

Isn't life GREAT!?!?!?

 

Class! Something mclaren fanboys will never know about.

 

@Lieven
Sorry,you have lost me.

 

I was being sarcastic in the last post though.I was using his logic.By the way didn't Lieven say 918s battery only lasts for 2laps.It must be true as he is Mr Know it all.Hahaha.

 

So basically this is you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Kum8OUTuk

BTW, just to be clear, was that 250k or 150k?

PS: Little tip, people with class don't brag about their wealth.

 

Well basically we finished with every single point you made being proven wrong. HTH.

1 actually.

 

Except the fact that you are the only one who thinks that.By the way I only told that because you are a gone case,arguing with you would never end if I continue.