Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Mclaren fanboys really are too much. Them or GTR fans, not sure who is worse.

 

Well this is the problem. Did Grand Tour show something in the hot laps that wasn't really in them. The answer is definitely yes, they showed a P1 being drifted around a hairpin. Now even a completely wet behind the ears amateur knows that isn't the best way to get around corners fast. So unless the driver was being a complete idiot, that bit wasn't really in the hot lap. So if they're willing to show things that aren't in the hot lap and pretend they were, then why not hold them to account.

Now has Jeremy BS'd a production before? Absolutely. Remember when he tested the P1 at Spa, take a look at the speed, gear and rpm in this video. 5th gear does 20.6mph/1000rpm BTW. Yet here we see him doing 190mph in 5th in the wet. No prizes for guessing how they fiddled it, set reading for kph, but fluffed it to say mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImCGCRso69c

 

Oh wow, lets talk about Porsche fans. Remember when the GTR beat them on the 'ring? "Oh they cheated, they cheated." Steve Millen test at Button Willow, "oh it was a fix." Then when the LP750-4 set a 6:59. "Oh they used a roll cage, that's cheating, that's cheating. Nevermind the fixed roof on the 918 lap, that doesn't count. Wharrrr, whaarrrr."

Does that sound about right?

Jeez, all I'm asking for is video evidence, and no, 10s of random cornering snippets and 50s of 3 guys jabbering in between does not count as evidence of a 1 minute 54s lap.

 

I drive COTA all the time with many of my friends in 675LTs. They are fast and nimble cars for sure.

What tires was the 675LT running on during these tests? Trofeo R? Trofeo R are now available for the 918 so for a fair comparison, the cars have to be on the same tires... I hope the LaF will get Trofeo R too and then the fun will begin all over again!

 

That's right.


---Nordscheleife--

918: 6:57 and it was still a prototype. Mark Lieb said he could shave off 3-5segs.
P1: "under 7min"
LaF: ---


---Anglesey(Evo)---

918: 1:12.4
P1: 1:12.6
LaF: ---


---Silverstone National Circuit(Paul Bailey)---

P1: 0:58.24 - > Trofeo R <
918: 0:58.47
LaF: 0:58.58


---Laguna Seca(Motortrend)---

918: 1:29.89
P1: 1:30.71
LaF: ---


---Autocar--

918: 1:05.70
P1: 1:06.80
LaF: ---


---Thermal Club(Salomondrin Hyper 5)--

918: 1:17.18
LaF: 1:18.46
P1: 1:18.82


---AIA(Chris Harris)---

P1: 1:53.57
918: 1:53.98
LaF: 1:54.25


---Thermal Club long(Salomondrin)---

918: 2:10.21 - > Trofeo R <
P1: 2.13.00 - > Trofeo R <
LaF: ---


---AIA(The Grand Tour)---

918: 1:54.20
LaF: 1:54.40
P1: 1:55.50


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918: won 8 of 9(7 if you count the P1 win with Trofeo R)
P1: won 1 of 9(2 if you count the win with Trofeo R)
LaF: won 0 of 4(2 2nd places, 2 3d places), always behind 918.

 

I love the 675LT - in my mind, it is the best supercar available, much better than Ferrari 488 or Lambo Huracan. But it is not in the same category as any of the three hypercars. Here is a drag race between the 918 and 675 (at about the 10:30 minute mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1RhlWs4gE

If the 675LT is faster than the 918 as you claim, and the 918 regularly beats the P1 on the track, what does that say about the P1 vs 675LT? Should the 675LT be McLaren's ultimate car?

 

In Imola, same driver, standard tires, the fastest car was the lightest:
1. Huayra BC
2. 918
3. LaF
4. P1

 

Pay attention to his "hot lap mode" comment. Acr won't come close in a drag race to any of the cars being talked about in this thread and we all know how fast it was.

When acr set the Laguna record it was said they they did an extra back to back lap record because they knew for sure that 918 wouldn't be able to match Two laps back to back because of the hot lap limitation .


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For sure, but the 918 won't find them much faster than its OEM Cup 2s. And 2:17 is the time to beat for the P1. Now if the P1 got some wider wheel arches and the same width tyres as the LaF, that would be even more interesting.

 

List of trustworthy times.


918 Spyder vs P1
Algarve International Circuit (Portimao) 1:53.98 1:51.78
Goodwood Hill climb 1:06.09 0:53.00
Silverstone (National Circuit) 0:58.47 0:58.24
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:29.89 1:30.71
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.40 1:11.20

Now on Solomondrin's times. Also ran in 125degF heat. P1 was in limp mode in Thermal Long test, and 918 destroyed its battery and had to go to garage afterwards. So hardly representative. It's also worth noting that 91 octane/95 RON will not give you representative results anyway.


Honda NSX vs McLaren 675LT - FastestLaps.com
NSX vs 675LT
Top Gear Track 1:17.60 1:13.70 +4s
Sachsenring 1:34.60 1:30.52 +3s
Hockenheim Short 1:10.30 1:07.20 +3s
Anglesey GP 1:35.7 1:41.7 +6s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:21.90 1:22.62 -1s - NSX lap by Graham Rahal

Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV vs Porsche 911 GT3 RS - FastestLaps.com
911 GT3 RS vs Aventador LP750-4 SV
Balocco 2:45.78 2:41.11 +4s
Hockenheim Short 1:08.50 1:07.80 +1s
Sachsenring 1:33.34 1:31.79 +2s
Nürburgring Nordschleife 7:20.00 6:59.73 +20s (long track)
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.64 1:23.56 -1s

675LT vs LaFerrari
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.80 1:12.10 -0.7s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.62 1:18.46 -4s
Top Gear Track 1:13.70 1:14.20 +0.5s
Portimao 1:54.70 1:54.25 -0.45s

675LT vs 918 Spyder
Goodwood Hill climb 1:06.22 1:06.09 0s
Thermal Club Raceway 1:22.62 1:17.18 -5.5s
Le Mans (Bugatti) 1:44.04 1:42.63 -1.4s
Anglesey Coastal 1:12.80 1:12.40 -0.4s
Willow Springs 1:24.29 1:23.54 -0.75s
Vairano Handling Course 1:10.10 1:09.54 -0.56s
Hockenheim Short 1:07.20 1:06.30 -0.9s
Portimao 1:54.70 1:53.98 -0.72s

Viper ACR vs 918 Spyder
Thermal Club Raceway 1:21.86 1:17.18 +4.7s
Thermal Club Raceway Long 2:14.63 2:10.21 +4.4s
Laguna Seca (post 1988) 1:28.65 1:29.89 -1.25s
Willow Springs 1:21.24 1:23.54 -2.3s
Virginia International Raceway Grand East Course (post 01/2014) 2:40.02 2:43.10 -3s

 

The fact that the LF is always on the slower Corsas, whereas the 918 on Cup2s and the P1 either on Corsas or the amazing Tropheo Rs is always overlooked.

 

Source?

 

Indeed, and Vlog from the 918vP1 Laguna test showed the 918 was 1s slower on lap 2 and 1.5s slower lap 3. Meanwhile Jason Hart in P1 on COTA, 2:17.49 and 2:17.51 back-to-back. 918 is a one lap wonder by comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU&t=75s

 

Probably on these tyres again.

Did The Pagani Huayra Cheat To Set Its Record Lap Time On Top Gear? (UPDATED: Pagani Responds)

 

You're comparing the P1 on Corsas though. And the only real problem with the P1 is that the front and rear tyres need to be 20mm and 30mm wider respectively. It must be kind of tending for an aftermarket shop to widen the wheel arches.

 

Yes, 918 protagonists always love comparing Cup 2s and hot lap mode to Corsas and a sustained track mode.

 

---Angelsey(Evo)---

918: 1:12.4 (without roof)
P1: 1:12.6
LaF: ---

fixed it

 

With Cup 2 tyres (fastest Michelin does) and on a circuit as slow as Anglesey Coastal the roof makes no difference.

With Trofeo R tyres (fastest Pirelli does) on P1.

918: 1:12.4 (without roof but with Cup 2 tyres and hot lap mode)
P1: 1:11.2 (Trofeo R) / 1:12.6 (Corsa - slower than Cup 2)


And actually the LaF ran a 1:12.1 at Anglesey.

 

I don't mind someone expressing their opinion but the sad thing is Llieven you have totally ruined this thread for me. It's worthless now, entirely derailed. You have zero credibility. You make false claims about cars you know nothing about. You make false claims about drivers you know little about. You ignore facts. You only recognize outcomes of which you like the results. Worst thing, you post INCESSENTLY on this one thread. You respond to every comment with some twisted perspective about how the P1 somehow gets cheated and the 675 is quicker than everything too. I've been only this forum for a little over a year and I can tell you that here, for the most part, people don't ignore facts. Ferrari puts out a subpar product, these board members will absolutely call a spade a spade. But ultimately, it's a Ferrari chat room. It is NOT mclaren chatroom. Your rhetoric, along with being innacurate, is truly misplaced.

 

I'm not ignoring facts though. The fact is we haven't seen the full hot laps, and some of the clips purporting to be part of the hot laps weren't. And we all know how this conversation would play out if Jeremy Clarkson had tested the cars and found the P1 a second quicker, with the same quality of coverage.

I don't think the P1 is perfect by any means, I'd add wider tyres for starters, I'm perhaps not entirely sold on the e-diff either, although it does save weight. But at the end of the day, any true enthusiast would want to see the full hot laps anyway, because you just would, even if you weren't suspicious. I mean to hire a pro-driver, bring along 3 hyper cars and then not show the hot laps, what kind of motoring show does that?

 

Im more curious about this statement. Was the laf a customer car? Could you go into a bit more detail about the event and the tires the BC used, as this could make the BC a bit more interesting to research, from a technical pov.

 

If my guess is right, then this guy is "GregB" on instagram. So it was probably either an owner preview, or a track day event. Because remember, Pagani also owns a 918 too...

 

No way that's true. Video evidence? Did Horacio use race compound slicks and turn up boost majorly?? lol I can see Pagani pulling Ferrari tricks to salvage the idea his cars are on the same performance level as the big 3 to keep the artificial value propped up. Suggesting the BC is a Zonda R is not realistic. I say all this being a HUGE Zonda lover and a fan of Pagani so i'm not bashing, just being a realist.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLQpAt5Mes
chris harris proves you wrong