Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Well, according to R&T again, the LF launches to 60 in 2.4s, so not too bad for a RWD car...

Regarding the speedos, we don't know if it was in the wet or in the dry, the road elevation or anything else for that matter. These videos may be amusing but not much more than that.

 

The 675’s performance is a much bigger issue for the P1 than for the LaFerrari or 918…

Remember, McLaren makes one basic car with a price range from $200k to $1.2mm, adding features along the way. The 540/570/650/675/P1 all use the same engine and chassis, but add active suspension, active aero, adjustable ride height, hybrid, etc at the higher price points.

The fact that performance of McLaren’s current 400k car almost matches their year old $1.2mm car is a product positioning issue. McLaren has benefited in the short run because of their careful launch sequence - selling all P1s before announcing the 675 Coupe, selling all 675 Coupes before announcing the 675 Spider, etc.

The challenge for McLaren Automotive going forward is successfully transitioning their current strategy (one engine and chassis, rapid obsolescence of models, high depreciation) to a more demand driven one where product scarcity solves depreciation, high margins pay for unique engine and chassis packages, and rapid obsolescence is no longer necessary to generate demand.

No matter what, it is certain that McLaren have forced Ferrari and Porsche to up their own games.

 

I don't think it's a big deal. A 488 won't be much slower than an LF either in anything other than at very high speeds. There is really no indication that building different models at different prices on a similar platform is an issue. People pay huge premiums for Speciale/Aptera vs 458/Spider.

All people care about is how it looks and the performance. Some also care a lot what the badge is too I guess. If LF was built on the 488 platform but everything was the same about the performance and looks, it wouldn't affect price.

McLaren's depreciation is not one of product, it's one of price, dealer network, and brand. The MSRP on the cars are very high to begin with, so depreciation looks horrendous. The user market also suffers due to difficult of service. The brand, well, it's just not that well known.

I will point out that Lamborghini Huracan residuals aren't exactly so hot either, and it doesn't suffer from many of the issues that McLaren has. High spec cars are easily $50-60K under MSRP asking prices after just 1 year and barely any miles, and those were only like $275K cars. They'd be $75K under if the MSRP was $300K, I'm sure.

 

An MSRP delta of 20% for a Speciale/Aperta over the series production model is very different from the 3x delta of a P1 vs a 675.

While I wouldn’t buy a P1 at 3x of a 675, I did order a 675 but cancelled when I realized that it would likely be superseded by a better model very soon – and that turned out be true with the upcoming 688. I know many other supercar owners that have been similarly turned off by McLaren’s product strategy.

Still, Porsche and Ferraris cars are better due to competitive pressure from McLaren, and I hope that McLaren can transform their current product strategy to a better long term one, and continue pressuring P and F to produce better cars.

 

Porche announced a 991R, shortly after the much sought after 991GT3RS. Didn't get one? You would have had to purchase a 918 or a bunch of other models.

Ferrari has special models as well, albeit not as frequently, but they exist and in order to get one you need to have purchased the previous models, some you didnt want, and maybe a few Maserati's too.

McLaren aren't doing anything the other manufacturers have been doing for a long time. If you cancelled your LT order you won't be getting a 688 either.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

Not true. Porsche and Ferrari operate differently from McLaren in that there is generally 4 to 5 years before a model is superseded. McLaren seems to be doing it annually, and that needs to change for long term success.

As far as the 675, it seems to be a fantastic car but I have no interest in that or a 688, as a 699 will be along next year, and a 7/11 the year after, followed by the 24/7, etc, etc. No interest in punishing myself annually with depreciation.

 

I agree with you...you must really love McLaren to buy a new one as the depreciation curve of a new model is really brutal. If you keep putting off the purchase of a new McLaren because you know the latest and greatest model is right around the corner then you lose the time that you could be owning and enjoying the car. The bottom line is you must pay to play when it comes to owning a new McLaren.

The only way I would personally buy a McLaren is pre-owned, after someone else already paid the large first year(s) depreciation for me.

 

Tell that to the ppl that paid $150,000 over MSRP for a GT3RS last month and now asking $300,000 over MSRP for a 991R. Porsche operating differently, riiight.

There is no mclaren 699, or 7/11, or 24/7 now your just making stuff up.

 

Not really. There only have only been 3 models and really there have only been 2 on sale at any given time being that the P1 was only in production for a year.

12C/650S/675
540C/570S/570

What comes out every year is usually a derivative model like a Spyder or the track day car. It's really no different than any other brand.

The 688 you're talking about isn't available. It was offered only to a small group of people and they're all spoken for. It can't be ordered, much like the 12C HS couldn't be ordered.

McLaren has already revealed their plans for the next 6 years. They are planning 15 new models or derivatives over the next 6 years. It will most likely be this:

540C Spider/570S Spider/570S LT/570S LT Spider
P14/P14 Spyder/P14 LT/P14 Sprint/P14 GT3
570S Replacement/570S SPider Replacement/570S LT Replacement
P15/P15 Spyder/P15 LT

That's 15 new cars and/or derivatives and it's really no overlapping.

 

I don't think anyone who ordered a P1 would feel cheated by a 675 LT. P1 may be on same chassis but it looks greater/different than other McLarens.

 

Agreed that the secondary market premiums for Porsche and Ferrari limited editions make their cars better buys for long term repeat customers - who order the cars new at MSRP. And anyone can become such a customer by buying a few cars.

By contrast, McLaren’s long term repeat customers are repeatedly punished by depreciation with every annual product update. It happened with the 12C, and again with the 650. It does not help that the 570 has virtually the same performance as, and better driver experience than the 650 for $100k less.

The 675's depreciation remains to be seen. Hopefully McLaren slows down their product updates so that the 675 has a chance of retaining value.

Are you kidding?? What about McLaren 10-4?

 

My point exactly – the 15 new cars are all derivatives of the same car, sort of what Porsche does with the 911 range, except Porsche has more variation because of different engines and gearboxes across the 911 range. And Porsche’s careful product cycle means that it is rare for a model to be superseded in less than 4 years. And finally, pricing for the 911 spans from 100k to 200k, while McLaren’s single platform spans from 200k to 1.2mm.

McLaren's cars are terrific, but their product management is not. I wish McLaren lots of success and hope that they fix product management because I want one but without it being obsolete in one year, and without big depreciation.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCcQQOtDlI#action=share

Video of a Mclaren P1 hitting 205.3 in the standing mile. Very impressive.

 

lol, the flap up on the helicopter pass, and the cheesy rocket launch sequence were a bit much. definitely a quick car

 

How are they all derivatives of the same car? Only 12C was replaced early, though in reality it was only a facelift. 570S/650S/P1 are vastly different inside, outside, under the skin, and price.

The 15 derivatives are more or less what you'll see from every brand -- coupe, spider, track car, track car spider. This exists across all exotic brands.

R8/R8 Spyder/R8 GT/R8 GT Spyder
458/458 Spider/458 Speciale/458 Aptera
Aventador/Aventador Roadster/Aventador SV/Aventador SV Roadster
Huracan/Huracan Spyder/Huracan SL (coming soon)/Huracan SL Spyder (coming soon)

 

No new comparison videos/tests going on anymore? Not that I care so much about the result anymore, just seeing those 3 great cars together going at it is great.

 

They're waiting for a Press Tesla 3 . . .

 

vMax200 "holy Trinity" is coming"
of course, no pro driver, bad surface etc etc

 

Per attached link to youtube, Salomondrin will be running the 3 hypercars in Abu Dhabi in April, and is trying to line up a Koenigsegg as a comparison, but not having much luck...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5nI_44SyQ

 

A non WP 918 ran a 9.7 at 145.3 mph a couple days back. Video of it is on youtube.

 

salomondrin is in or was in abu dabhi in the last few days filming the big 3 at the circuit and he was trying to hunt down a Ksegg to run with them as well. so we should have video of that sometime soon

 

Is he actually going to race the cars this time, or just drive them casually like he did last time with the Ferraris?

I hate the way he makes videos...

 

I use to hate on the dude but he's been putting out some quality stuff lately. His "Bangin Gears" videos has tons of potential.

 

Actually the 570s got a different new Monocell, it drives different feels different and it's actually all different and a whole easy everyday car to live with.

I own the whole Mclaren line up and it amaze me how people or some as I'm not referring to you never drove them and tested them yet they assume just because they share the same Monocell and engine they drive the same or even sound the same !

which is not true at all but people still assuming.

Anyway buy/like what makes you happy after all money won't go to me.


Mbn

 

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