ferrari kit car builders have the new 430?

I love their tag line: "Extreme - there is no substitute"

Yeah... except for the REAL THING!

Jedi

 

Next to the real one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HgGhHQOcEo&feature=related


The Sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyxAvOVpuk&feature=related


The Build
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFHFynRcng&feature=related

 

Anybody have a shot of what you see when you look into the engine glass?
A body kit is one thing to fake, but how are these guys faking the look of an engine?

 

Let me give you a hint.. they say:

"From 4 to 2 seats.. with lots of room in the trunk"

There is a photo here -> http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/360/converter.htm

 

actually.. looks like they have an 'engine' in this car.

http://www.extreme-sportscars.com/360/oulton2006.htm

 

The music in those videos reminds me of the SNL "Night at the Roxbury" skits.

 

Amazing that someone could actually have a business doing this.....the exact same feeling as looking at a fake Rolex prevails when looking at the web site. What's the point? Just don't get it. I'd rather have a real MR2 than a fake Ferrari. "Fake Ferrari"....that just sounds nasty.....

Surely they will do something about this.

 

Fake Ferraris, fake Lambos, fake Excalibers (!!), they've been around for
decades and will be around forever. I'd rather drive a very nice MR2 or
Fiero than a fake ANYTHING

Jedi

 

Ordinarily, I'd be nodding my head vigorously--and I do with respect to the fake Ferrari. However, sometimes the line does blur a bit. I had an Intermeccanica Speedster for awhile and it was actually superior to the 356A Speedster in almost every respect except pedigree and had a lot of running gear and other bits in common.

 

Recently, I read an article written by Jay Leno about replicas. I think in Octane magazine.
He said, and I'm paraphrasing here,that he doesn't mind it so much as long as they use all the same
parts that were used on the original that's being copied. For instance he said there's a company I
believe in Argentina that recreates the 30's Bugatti racers, practically down to the last bolt,
naturally no where near the originals price. In these instances I could see this being done
as certain cars either don't exist or would be worth way too much to drive around the streets.
Remember, even the Ferrari factory "recreated" a 1961 "sharknose" 156 F1 car for Chris Rea.

 

LOL!

 

I think there is a big difference between a "replica" and "recreation". A replica is a cheap imitation of the original. If you made a replica Rolex, underneath the face would be a cheap open market watch movement. The gold would be cheaply plated or even painted. Diamonds would be zircon or glass crystal, etc. Yes, it looks the "same" (depending on who's doing the observation and at what distance) and keeps time, but it's not like the original.

A recreation is taking existing NOS stock or faithfully repeating the exact same construction down to the latest details. This is a pretty expensive propostion. It would be more expensive to recreate a Rolex than just to buy one -- unless it was extremely unusal or valuable.

For the life of me, I can't see any fascination if replica's. Whenever I see a 427 Cobra on the street now, I don't even pay attention. I would have no idea if it's real or a replica. If there were never any replicas made, I'd bend my head around backwards if I saw one on the street. So, some magic is definately lost when replica's enter the world.

 

Bingo. And also echoed earlier about the 356 recreations - some of those are STUNNING. But they
are RECREATIONS - detail for detail, not intended to be a 'Countach on an MR2 frame' sort of thing.
The 'Extreme' kits are for folks who hang with a crowd who doesn't have a clue about what the real
deal is - Lambos and F430s are extreme examples - who would realistically expect to see a TRUNK
in an F430??? Whereas the QUALITY 356 recreations are HARD TO TELL from original unless you are
a true collector and really know the car. I've personally seen a 356 recreation that was STUNNING
in its homage to the car it was mimicking. And the price reflected the accuracy in every way!
So yes, different things indeed - replicas vs. recreations

Jedi

 

I've seen various 356 Speedster replicas and of course they're going to be superior to a 'real' car. Speedsters were only made up until 1957 (Convertible D for 58 and 59, Roadsters after that) so they're all more than 50 years old now. A well restored or looked after original 356 is still a treat to drive though they are getting somewhat expensive these days.

Also, there are actually very few parts are in common between the Intermeccanica car and a Porsche 356 and for the price of a good replica you can pick up an original 356 coupe. People go for the replica for the look rather than the experience.

Having said that, I'd happily have one of the Pur Sang Bugattis mentioned by Leno in the Octane article.

 

Interesting reading on replicas. bdelp, Most if not all Cobra replicas are far superior to there original cars. I build and sell replicas as a hobby and specialize in Shelby replicas . The averae person could never afford a real Cobra or Daytona. The replica business thrives on this. Right or wrong it fills a need. I agree most of the Ferrari and Lambo copys are nasty. I have seen some though that are real hard to tell. Especially the Diablos.

I currently own a Ferrari California Spyder. I can tell you I could never afford a real one so.... Also the maintence will never be what my Real 348 was. My fake Ferrari gets just as much attention as my real one did.

Here are a couple of my personal replicas







And the first one I ever built



Mike
www.replicaparts.com

 

I don't doubt at all the the replica Cobras are better in every way over and original. To me, that's not important. It's just that what was something special has become ordinary. I personally think that's a tragedy. You could build a similar kit car with a different body and it would have the exact same performance. So, why is it necessary to steal the style also? Wouldn't a car with the same performance and with great looks (but not the original design) also "fill the need"? What's the difference in someone driving a replica Cobra and owning a knock off Rolex? Doesn't the fake Rolex also "fill a need"?

Hey, a lot of you guys like kit cars. I'm not saying that it's wrong. It's just that it takes away something from the original in my opinion. They become less special and more ordinary. Personally, I think that's not a positive event.

In case your wondering, I think chopping off the top of a Daytona to make it a spider is also wrong. So, maybe I'm a purist.

 

I think there is no substitute for this perfect replica of the 430........its perfect in everyway all the angles and lines of the original aswell as some that only ferrari wish they had thought of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3J9NjSEJlM&feature=related

on another point a young gent went past me in a replica 355 all his pride was wiped away as i pointed an laughed.......from a ford focus.

 

"My fake Ferrari gets just as much attention as my real one did."

Mike,
There in lies the issue, that seems to be the only reason for these "fakes"....people simply wanting attention. Do people with real Ferraris want attention? Sure, many do, but that is not the reason for most....most want the car, because they are true enthusiasts, who wish to experience the sound, feel and power of a Ferrari. They want the true driving experience. Buyers of replicas simply want the attention, and yes they get it, so they feel they got their money's worth I guess. But that has nothing to do with Ferrari ownership and the driving experience.

 

Isn't Porsche's tag line "There is no substitute"?

 

The web page is hideous. Is someone out there laughing? I know a bunch of us have too much time on our hands to be here all this time. Who in the world would do this though?


Does that four seater have a mini power plant or is it electric? Or a joke???

 

Replicas and recreations are horrible in my opinion. Yes, replica Cobras are faster and better in most regards. I'd surely hope so seeing how old the original is. If a car says "Ferrari", it should be a Ferrari. If a car says "Lamborghini", it should be a Lamborghini. Simply taking a lesser car and swapping body panels does not make it a Lamborghini. It makes you a poser craving attention with a "look at me!" attitude.

What do these people with replicas tell people when they ask what kind of car it is? Do they say it's a replica or do they say it's a genuine Ferrari or Lambo? If they say replica, what's the point? Everyone discovers its not genuine and you're an attention whore. The glory and exoticness of the vehicle is then lost. Not only that, those who see a kit car Fierro thinking it's the real deal will think less of real Ferrari's having seen the shoddy interior and lesser craftsmanship. The teenager in his Acura will brag that he street raced and smoked a Diablo, with video, on youtube, further tarnishing the original brand.

I can understand wanting a Lamborghini or a Ferrari but not being able to afford one. I want a Gallardo but im nowhere near being able to afford one, and im not about to build some abomination hackjob wannabe Gallardo and drive around in it pretending it's the real deal. It's not the real deal. I know it's not. Enthusiasts know it's not. It doesnt handle the same. It doesn't sound the same. It doesn't accelerate the same. It wasn't built in the same place. All the prestige and performance that comes from the original does not exist on a copy. The badge on the steering wheel is a lie. All it does is shout "I'm a poser. I'm cheap. I can't afford the real car. This is a lie".

Even in old Bugattis I dont understand it really. What do you do with it? Drive it around? It's not a Bugatti. You're not driving a Bugatti. You're driving a kit car. You could essentially buy a Civic and then hold up a piece of paper with a picture of a real Bugatti on it. It's essentially accomplishing the same thing. Do you take it to car shows? Why? It's not the car you're representing it as. Car shows are for exotic cars that are rare. Your car isn't exotic. It's not rare. It's not a Bugatti. I don't care how close it appears, it's not the same.

I don't have a problem with people owning cheap cars, expensive cars, kit cars, etc.. but I don't like knockoffs. I don't like cheap copies. I wouldn't own a fake Rolex. Whats the point? To pretend that it's a real Rolex? To pretend that im rich? I'm not that pathetic. I prefer Omega anyways.

Of course, that's just my opinion on the subject. I'm sure it will offend at least a few of you, but it's what I think.

 

They even offer a 360 replica with TWO engines and 4WD!

 

So P. You telling me you wouldnt get caught dead driving one of my Cobra or Daytona replicas? They are some of the fastest cars on the planet. I know replicas arent for everyone but They are truly real world performers. And No I am not talking about Fiero based cars.
Check out Factory Five Racing and you would be amazed what (crappy) replicas can do.
www.factoryfive.com

Mike

 

Hi all. I'm new here and thought I might just raise my head up above the parapet and join in this interesting discussion.

I own two real Porsche, two real Aston Martins and a Fake Ferrari P4 (mainly for the track). I have no care whatsoever as to what anyone may think if they see the fake on the road. I couldn't care less what people think when they see me in one of my 'real' cars either. So long as it fills my need, be that a real need or just a fake, imaginary one, then it works for me. I post this not to brag or apologise for my "fakery" either. If asked "is it real" my reply will always be "its a real copy".

I am a product of the 60's and am fascinated by the "real" men who raced those beautiful cars and genuinely risked their lives doing so. Even if I could afford a real race car from that era, I seriously doubt that I have the danglies to risk it on a race track.

Each to their own fella's. Enjoy life