Ferrari F80

That's an official video so should be taken with a grain of salt (or lots..) but I liked how it sounded inside a lot better than what it sounds like outside. Which is a good thing, I guess.

 

Not to mention preposterous for a road car.

 

Having the monocoque arranged so that more sound enters the cabin is exactly the same as removing sound deadening so the sound of the car is more raw. Per CS, Scuderia, Speciale, Pista, GTO, TDF and Competizione. Nothing whatsoever artificial about it. To try and argue otherwise makes no sense. That’s very different from playing engine noise through the speakers - which Ferrari don’t do.

 

I am sick and tired of your derogatory and paternalistic tone towards others. Of course I believe what I wrote, that is why I wrote it!!! Do you even know what synthesised means?

 

No matter what Ferrari says for marketing reasons F1 is another reality that has little to do with the one of the F80 which is a very fast road car.
Let's look at the example of the F1 Ferrari SF 24 with which Leclerc has a Fiorano lap time of 56.88 seconds corresponding to an average speed of 194.707 km/h. The F80 lap time in Fiorano is 1.15.30 minutes corresponding to an average speed of 145.008 km/h.

Enormous difference between the two

 

I'm tired of hearing you say anything, open the workshop manual of the 296 before talking about what you don't know !
And take a good look at the number of filters in the ducts...

 

What does that have to do with anything? Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

It has seen that there are filters in the ducts that curb the harmonics by conducting the sound in the cabin, you really thought it was natural !!!
It's been a long time since there is anything natural at this level...
the last one should be the 599

 

Many modern sports/supercars have engineered cockpit noise. The C8 Z06 is the worst offender in my opinion. Reminds me of the 80’s arcade game ‘OutRun’.

 

SF90 XX recorded 289 km/h at Hockenheim:
https://www.instagram.com/christian_gebhardt_sportauto/reel/C6fnziVCuXt/

F80 should be able to top 300 km/h already there on the 1.1 km long Parabolika section.

And it most certainly does 300 km/h in all three F1 Italian GP circuits (Mugello, Imola, Monza) which have straight lengths in the range of 1.2 - 1.3 km.

 

It is actually an interesting question that has non modified road going Ferrari ever topped 300 km/h on a F1 Grand Prix circuit?

 

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Few other shots and words from F1 drivers .... no other words are needed

https://www.tiktok.com/@ferrari/video/7437463660894768416

 

Why the F80 is just a very fast road car and nothing else although sometimes people mistakenly compare it to an F1?

As is known, the F80 in many aspects derives from the 499 P Le Mans Hypercar. This happens at the level of the power-train and the hybrid turbo V6 engine and also with the four-wheel drive and other systems. The F80 is the fastest road legal Ferrari ever with a breakneck acceleration capability that allows it to reach 200 Kph almost in the blink of an eye and able to win a short drag race against an F1. However, the performance potential of the F80 on the circuit, according to the indication posted here in the FC mentioning that the Fiorano lap time is at least 8 seconds slower than the 499P, makes it a slow car when compared to the later.
So that we have an idea of how fast an F1 is, whether at the Bahrain International Circuit, the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps or the Autodromo Nazionale di Monza, the lap time achieved in any of these three is on average approximately 15 seconds less than the lap time of an LMH like the 499 P, representing a brutal difference.

How does a rear-wheel drive F1 have such an advantage over a four-wheel drive 499P around a circuit?

A closer look at a Spa-Francorchamps lap allows us to understand why these big differences occurs:

“Starting off the lap, the Formula 1 car pulls out a quick early lead as it is able to brake later and use its faster cornering speed through turn 1 and Eau Rouge. The LMH car is able to close the gap slightly down the long Kemmel straight, however it quickly drops back again through the following fast corners.
The Formula 1 car is able to build a big lead using the fast, high-downforce corners in order to eliminate the advantage that the LMH gains on the straights. By the time the LMH gets onto the long back straight, the F1 car is already at the Bus Stop chicane, the final corner of the lap. “

 

F1 cars do the 0-200 kph sprint about a second quicker than the F80.

I don't know who wrote this (that is why we should always put the reference of our sources), but it is just wrong. F1 cars are about 30 kph faster than WEC hypercars down the Kemmel straight.

 

The only valid term of comparison between cars F1 and LMH are the lap times on different circuits where the former have average lap times that are around 15 seconds lower than the latter. However, exists a generalized idea, coming already from the previous LMP1s, that the Le Mans cars on a straight line are more accelerative than a F1 in part due to better aerodynamics. Because these cars are completely different and don't race together, it is very difficult to arrive to a conclusion.

 

There are numerous circuits at which F1 and WEC cars both compete. F1 cars reach much higher speeds than the prototypes, even during the LMP1 era. There are recorded numbers at Monza and Spa for F1 cars versus LMP1 and Hypercars. Even on the huge Le Mans Mulsanne straight, WEC cars do not reach the speeds that F1 cars reach at Monza.

 

Spa WEC Pole 2024 2.02.462
Spa F1 Pole 2024 1.53.159
Spa Lap Record 1.46.286 (Bottas 2018)

having done myself around 4K KM in a F1, nothing, absolutely nothing comes close to an F1. No matter the marketing....

The F80 is great and fast and I love it but it is not a race car. I love the technology and the link to the Hypercar 499P, great job by Ferrari

But there is nothing road legal who comes close to a real F1 experience.

 

Agreed.
Also keep in mind that the 2024 F1 pole was on a wet track. The 2023 pole was 1:46.168. Moreover, the new race lap record (recorded this year) is 1:44.701. The 2024 pole position would have been in the 1:23'' in the dry...

 

Thank you for your post. Nothing better than the testimony from someone who has driven and knows what an F1 is. I would really like to have driven an F1 but so far I haven't had that opportunity. However, I followed F1 racing very closely between 1986 and 1995 in the pits and so I also know a little bit that it is something absolutely different in the world of motor racing.

 

Isn’t that the point of the supercar? To get you as close as possible to their F1 and now also the 499P cars as their latest technology and ability can achieve in a street legal vehicle?

 

Apologies for the typo, I meant to write that the 2024 pole would be in the 1:43s, not 1:23s.

 

They pipe in the engine exhaust sound through the “hot tube”. A lot of other companies do something similar where they pipe in sound from the intake but I believe Ferrari has a patent on piping in the exhaust vs intake. Unfortunately in the end both solutions are not ideal as the acoustic waves have to travel through a small tube which muddies the tone with all the reflections.

Imo having engine intake interfacing with the cabin like the 675lt/P1 or your Porsche 718 RS are the best solution. You get increased engine noise that is not as dependent on exhaust sound. Unfortunately looking at where the engine intakes are on F80 it looks like they are not interfacing with the cabin.

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The video below shows in a very simple way the speed and acceleration of F1s compared to other classes of race cars and super-bikes.

 

I don't know where they got this data from, but I have seen different numbers.