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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Ferrari 308 GTB, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. SoCal to az

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    So true!
     
  2. ferrarifanatic25

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    Well isn’t that obvious? If sound wasn’t a concern, most of us complainers would be lining up to buy one!

    Seriously, I think the F8 is absolutely beautiful and the best overall package available on the market. I love it. Apart from the Pista and some other cars in higher price brackets/limited editions, it may be the most desirable car for sale in the year 2020 (in my opinion). It’s just a shame that such an amazing overall package is subject to such a major flaw and there isn’t much that anyone can do about it.

    Im getting to worked up about this... I haven’t even heard one in real life yet, so final judgement is still out. I need to spend less time on this forum getting pissed off by all these new regulations!


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  3. Hunter911

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    Someone has already developed a GPF-bypass exhaust for Porsches (with no CEL’s). I have a hard time believing aftermarket tuners will not crack the F8’s setup. Maybe a GPF bypass system (which would mean good HP gains on the F8), or just hi-flow cats and leave the GPF in place? Or new sensors to trick the ECU. There is always a solution.
     
  4. Shadowfax

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    I'm advised Porsche doesn't use post cat pressure/pulse sensor because back-pressure was not a critical element that was designed into the system to reduce lag or control the way the engine delivers its power like the Ferrari engine does. Also, a sensor which relays critical information to the ECU such as pulse and pressure simply can't just be done away with or replaced with a dummy sensor. How do you replicate the correct pulse and pressure in a system like this? You will basically need a dummy engine of same type to piggy back. I'm afraid this one really is insurmountable. I recall reading on another thread how Tubi looked closely at it and has walked.

    And to suggest this F8 problem will affect the AM exhaust industry is not correct as the aftermarket has many other brands and models left to work with. Life won't stop at the F8 model and with many years left in earlier and newer models (which don't use post cat pressure sensors - or rely upon them to control boost and power delivery) the manufacturers will have plenty to work with.
     
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  5. Astrid.Didier

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    Probably the only beautiful new mid-engine Ferrari in the market though !
     
  6. REALZEUS

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    Because of the EU regulations. You just don't seem to get it...
     
  7. REALZEUS

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    #3082 REALZEUS, Dec 7, 2019
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    You seem so concerned about the looks. Can you drive?
     
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  8. Astrid.Didier

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    Not yet ;), I'm going to the driving school next weak to start to learn how to drive ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
     
  9. REALZEUS

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    Weak indeed...
     
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  10. RoyalPink

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    I may have missed it somewhere in all of these threads I've been reading. I'm leaving in a few hours to go and drive an F8. My understanding is the Pista sounds pretty good and the F8 does not. Since the F8 shares and has basically the same engine as the Pista. What is the major reason/contributor to the lack of sound in the F8?
     
  11. LVP488

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    The F8 engine is muted by the GPF (Gas Particulate Filter), which is noticeable from the outside; inside, the "tubes" directing the noise in the cabin are intended to compensate (and maybe even more than) for that.
     
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  12. pilotoCS

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    "It sits super high" ????:eek::rolleyes:
     
  13. ferrarifanatic25

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    I’m not referring to the existence of these systems. I understand the regulations and obviously Ferrari must comply with them. But why go out of their way to make them difficult to defeat with post-cat pressure sensors and other nanny’s that have been developed? So for, no one has provided a sufficient answer to this question. There is nothing in the regulations that require manufacturers to incorporate failsafes against customers modifying theirs exhausts aftermarket. The regulations only require that the cars meet them when they are sold. What a customer does afterwards (legal or not) is irrelevant to the regulations as far as manufacturers are concerned. Refer to shadowfax’s post earlier explaining how Ferrari has gone to such lengths to prevent customers from messing with the F8’s exhaust. It sounds like we won’t even be able to unplug the valves anymore like we could on all previous models.

    Audi, Porsche, MB and other manufacturers have not spent any extra money developing failsafes so that people cannot change their exhausts. There are already GPF delete options available on the aftermarket for all of these cars.

    Instead of wasting money making them difficult to defeat, knowing that customers will want a fix for something that is completely out of Ferrari’s control, why not incorporate easy ways to get around them? They could even train official Ferrari techs in unaffected markets “behind the scenes” the best ways to help their customers get more sound out of the cars. This would not be illegal, would comply with regulations and would make more customers happy.

    Again, no need to debate this too much right now. Let’s wait and see... maybe we’re all wrong and the aftermarket will be able to provide solutions from day one.
     
  14. REALZEUS

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    Because otherwise the car wouldn't work correctly. The GPF is integrated to the powertrain. AFAIK all manufacturers' new systems are difficult to defeat.
     
  15. LVP488

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    I do not think Ferrari does actually care about people defeating regulations at their own risk aftermarket - but maybe Ferrari has worked hard to adapt to the regulations, so that removing the compliance is actually seriously hampering the way the "system" works.
     
  16. Jcmd

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    a small price to pay for less pollution , i say every bit helps.
     
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  17. Mickyd329

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    I had the pleasure test driving the F8 yesterday at my dealer. I was really concerned about the exhaust note coming from a Performante. After driving it for about 30 minutes, I walked away pretty satisfied with the sound. Once the aftermarket figures out a solution, it should be fine. Hopefully, a tuner comes up with a solution by the time I take delivery in the summer.
     
  18. ferrarifanatic25

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    To be clear, I don’t think anyone (myself included) is saying that less pollution is a bad thing... in fact, it’s a great thing.

    The main point of my post has nothing to do with pollution and more to do with EU noise (decibel) regulations. I believe I read somewhere that starting in 2022 (maybe later?) cars sold in the EU must not exceed 77 dB at full throttle/rpm from the outside. I believe a stock 488 does something like 105 dB flat out. Remember that every 7 dB increase marks an 2x increase in actual volume level (107 dB is twice as loud as 100 dB). So we have 105-77=28. 28/7=4. And 2^4=16. If my math is correct (please correct me if I’m wrong... I hope I am wrong!), that means Ferrari’s produced for the EU will be SIXTEEN times quieter than a stock 488 once the new laws go into effect.

    It would be an absolute travesty if Ferrari forces other markets to comply with these laws, which limit individual freedom to express oneself, and then voids warranties and takes additional measures to ensure that customers elsewhere cannot alter their exhausts in the aftermarket. This is the point I am trying to make, not that less pollution is a bad thing.
     
  19. LVP488

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    I thought the figure for doubling is 3 dB, not 7 - but I may be wrong.
     
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  20. Elisesko

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    Confusing the pollutions you are. Said in my best Yoda voice.
     
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  21. Coincid

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    You are correct.
     
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  23. ferrarifanatic25

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    Thank you for the correction. Was hoping to be wrong in a different way...


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  24. Ski Bum

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    I think some prior posters must be thinking of audio systems. You need to double the power fed by an amplifier into audio speakers to increase the playback level by 3db. However, the perceived volume does NOT double with a 3db increase.
     
  25. LVP488

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    Indeed a 3 dB increase corresponds to doubling the power, not the volume (I'm not a specialist, my "knowledge" of dB comes from optical power rather than from sound power).
    It seems (by some browsing on the net) that increasing the volume requires more power, so that reducing the power by 3 dB does not half the volume (because one needs far more than doubling the power, or adding 3 dB, to actually double the volume) - so that's a good news ;)
     

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