Ferrari F50 GT vs Pagani Zonda Revolucion

I'm a massive Pagani fan, they're my favourite car, but I don't think that the Revolution will beat the F50 GT round a track.

It's a bit of a futile discussion though, because the chances of these two battling it out together with 2 race drivers on the same day on the same track are about as big as me bedding a Victoria's Secret model...

 

At least you're honest


Great analysis though op. Certainly looks plausible.

 

First of all, I'm gonna make a few observations:
1. the F50 GT1 develops around 950 HP, the other two F50 GT's have around 750 HP.
2. Schumacher drove a regular FXX on the Top Gear track, not an FXX Evo.

New to answer your question:
1. The Zonda Revolucion doesn't stand a chance against the F50 GT1.
2. It also get beat by the other 2 F50 GT's.
3. I already mentioned on the LaF vs P1 vs 918 thread the fact that the F50 GT easily beat an FXX on a track.

The reason is very simple:
1. the F50 GT's are/were race cars.
2. the Zonda Revolucion, just like the FXX, is a track car built for testing new tech that can be fitted to future models.

As 4 the Zonda R defeating the FXX on the Top Gear track, there are several possible explanations:
1. it's faster; even though is has less HP then an FXX (which has around 50 HP more), it has a bigger torque; more HP means a higher top speed, more torque means better acceleration, which translates into a better laptime.
2. the cars wheren't driven by the same driver. Weather conditions, tires used, fuel load, number of attempts/laps - all these factors influence lap times.

I hope I've answered your questions.

 

It just shows how incredibly good the 1996 F50 GT is that it could be compared with a car from 2013. The F50 GT is one of the best cars ever made.

 

Let’s not forget that the Zonda R and its various versions was never built or meant to be a race car. It was developed to allow customers to have a more track focused Zonda. In fact the suspension is very compliant for a track car and was so good the complete suspension set up was transferred to the Huryra minus the race bushings. It was built that way so as not to intimidate the gentleman drivers that bought one

Now the first Zonda R produced a Ring Time in the 6.40's. With the extra power and added aero of the latest versions I suspect they could achieve a time in the 6.30's. Especially if the suspension was optimised for the track. I am not sure how that would compare to the F50 GT

 

And we know the f50gt isn't what anyone would call "easy" to drive. You need to be a very good driver to approach its limits. Still I'd take one of each car if money were no concern.

 

I would like to ask something. Why the GT(1)? car has more HP that the other two? I thought that all the 3 cars were the same spec. Are there more differences between them?

Thank you.

 

Check the history of F50GT chassis No. 001. The car was rebuilt after a crash and then also the Michael Schumacher got involved in improving the car. So I wouldn't say it was still so hard to manage on the limit.

And GT's even from some years ago are still in their own class. If FXX K would be as fast around the track, considering the differences between XX car and GT, that would be a world record for me.
Thumbs up!

 

001 does not share it's engine with a 333sp. 002 and 003 do. There are many differences between the three chassis. Not the least of which is the fact that 001 was the only one finished by Ferrari. 002 and 003 have have there kill switches in different places from 001. 001 never had another seat (passenger seat) 003 did at one time. The wheels are different on all three cars; the list goes on and on. 6 tubs were made, but only one (001) was finished by Ferrari. 002 and 003 were completed by two other companies and the other three tubs were crushed by an Italian court order. The reason why 001 is more powerful than the other two is that engine is quiet a bit different. the redline on a 'standard' 333sp engine is 11,500 rpm with peak power coming in around 10,500. 001's redline is close to 14,000 and it's internals are lighter and the compression ratio is higher. I saw 001 both times it was being rebuilt and the two dyno sessions it had here in the states. it's last rebuild resulted in it's weight loss. I personally saw 001 blow by a Mclaren F1 GTR like it was going in reverse.

 

Thank you!

You were very informative. Do you know where can i find more infos about #001 chassis?

Thank you in advance.

 

There will be a book coming out sometime in the future, before 2016, at least that's my hope. It will depend on how quickly everything can be collected.

 

Wasnt the car made to be raced in FIA GT during the late 90's? Shame it never did. It would have been great to see vs the CLK GTR/LM, 911 GT1 and McLaren F1 GTR. I know there is a lot of varying claims on weight, but what is the weight of the car when produced? Sub 900kg? Im sure the power level is without air restrictors, but thats nuts to think it has a 14k redline.

 

BPR Global GT Series, but you're sort of right...it became the FIA GT series .

14K redline is fantastic IMO, surely this wasn't the case when the car just came out? The engine in F1 trim (3.5l) revved to around 14K and was much smaller...Engine development since then has evolved significantly so I reckon new tech (lighter pistons/rods/crank) has been applied. Would love to hear it. Shame that video's of any F50 GT are so scarce .

 

Dare I say it's not fair to compare the two? They're both in two completely different categories.

 

+1

One is a prototype racer and the other aimed at the rich gentleman aiming to go very fast but still with a forgiving chassis/suspension.

 

That DBR9, was it running slicks on the top gear track? Was it running unrestricted?

 

Overall it is logical that Zonda R was faster than FXX. But how much and how can we translate it to the other track eg Fiorano, is another (interesting) story.

Let's leave Zonda R aside for a moment.
Talking in general, Top Gear "track" is not even a real track, but it's enough for their show purpose.
Their show sometimes acted strange, at least during several record attempts.
Well, Huayra, or McLaren MP4 12C, to say at least. The latter, on TG, turned out to be almost 3 second faster (2.9 exactly) than Ferrari 458 Italia on such short track! Amazing job TG and McLaren. But you probably know what the results were on other tracks. Quite the same if not worse than 458.

 

Sounds really interesting!

Let me know when it will come out.

Thank you.

 

Especially when being "prepared";-) by one man - J.C.
Ben Collins' anecdote said that he (Collins) got the 458 in his hands with tyres almost shot -by a monkey maniac Jeremy C. Oh, sorry - Jennifer ;-) C.