Ferrari F12 gunning for GT-R's Nürburgring lap time?

Why they would do a promo stunt like this now with a model that was launched 2 years ago? Maybe it´s an early mule of the F12 "GTO".

 

I doubt they would be specifically going after the GTR lap time. They maybe testing for themselves or testing updates.

 

Doubt it. Besides, I don't think they'd get anything close to 7:08 with the F12.

 

The F12's mad straight line speed and ftont-mid engine layout could humble a GTR, but I doubt that Ferrari is interested in all that child play.

 

I love how they say it did a hot lap at 7.48 but with a cool down of 40s..

I guess they are testing a HGTC package?

 

Probably.

 

Background of the Nürburgring laps was the so called "Supertest" of the F 12 in the German Magazin "Sportauto" to be released in the edition Nr. 09/14 from the August 15th on.

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Johnny

 

Definitely great driver ……. who knows about they are doing with F12 but one think we can see from the video Driver is fantastic.

 

An Enzo with a broken suspension did it in 7:25. The F12 is faster in a straight line and with better tires, should be faster in the turns. 7:08 is not too far fetched I think.

 

Agree. Not sure I see what the great spec advantage of the Nismo is that would let it outrun the F12 by much, if at all. Except that for the price you could have 2 of them and make it a race!

 

I agree.

Maybe the AWD system and lower peak torque of the GTR? The GTR weighs like 3800 LBS and makes 600HP @6800 RPM / 481 lb-ft @3200 RPM... Whereas the F12 stats are ~3,500 LBS 730HP @8000 RPM / 508 lb-ft @ 6000 RPM. Even if I have the weight off on the F12, the numbers favor it. Its just a question of its ability to put the power down and it seems like it has a very good ability to do just that.

 

F12 did 7:33 in the latest issue of sport auto

 

What is a Nismo?

 

Do you know what time they recorded for Hockenheim ?

 

1 min 9.9 sec

check germancarforum, all the info is there

 

Thank you! Just saw it.

 

Nope, no Nismo heh. Times are par for the course these day. Nothing amazing.

Nurburgring Nordschleife - 7:33 min
Hockenheim - 1:09.9 min
0-100: 3,2s
0-160: 6,2s
0-200: 9,1s

 

In reality, the two cars actually weigh very close, and it's looking more and more like F12 has only 80-90hp advantage. Doesn't matter. The GTR has far superior traction into, through, and out of corners, along with compliance...which is massively important at the NS, thus it easily outruns the F12. No contest.

 

the 'great spec' of the Nismo is not anywhere on paper. As it is with many of the super fast runners on the NS, grip in every phase of cornering along with proper damping has a lot to do with how fast the car goes on that track. Stability and cornering speed. 'On paper' the Nismo really has no upper hand on the F12, but in practice, that 'cheap' Nissan has no trouble leaving the F12 behind. Engineering and construction, the twin turbo V-6 is mighty impressive.

 

Ferrari shouldnt even bother because the nismo record is about as legit for street cars as the 599 fxx was

First off i have a gtr that i love but the nismo and its 'record' is total bs. They used a nismo with the n attact pack which in reality does not exist. It consists of different aero, carbon fenders, different ecu (for 100 octane race gas) and diffs, adjustable suspension and more. Its listed as $85k package but thats not even the kicker. You will have to ship your car back to nismo in japan for installation! So reality is there may be about 5 of these ever made out of total nismo few hundred cars worldwide. 918 with almost thousand cars will be like a yellow cab in manhattan by comparison. Nismo leaves all this out of their ads though

 

That's interesting. I guess the majority of GTR drivers don't really have much use for setting world record times so I can see where Nismo is coming from.

Maybe there should be homologated rules for the ring times ie, must have 30 versions available to the public in that spec.

 

as for the 'record' being legit or BS, that's open to debate...by you and everyone else. Nissan is saying that because it is in effect a 'package' available to be used on a series production car, then it is 'legit'. ANY of the Nismo's can be fitted with this pack regardless of how expensive, how involved, or seemingly low in numbers the packaged cars are.

 

You seem to overestimate the glorified Datsun and underestimate the monstrous Ferrari. In a straight line at least, there is no comparisson whatsoever; the F12 eats the GTR alive!!! The difference is worthy of the 140 power advantage of the italian car, whereas traction is on par given their 0-60 times: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta vs Nissan GT-R Nismo [42114841]

Granted, straight line speed is much different to lap times, but I cound't find any independent tests of these two. All we know for sure is that in Anglesey the Speciale was 2.7s quicker than the 2015 GTR (non-Nismo) and that theoretically the F12 should be no slower than the Speciale.

 

I do not knock the GTR at all. It is a tremendous package and a great value. On the other hand, we were just talking about how the GTR can generate such great numbers and I think Scuderia980 said it well- the AWD system really allows them to generate traction everywhere its needed.

I know a number of guys who have GTRs and Ferraris and they all will tell you the GTR is a fantastic car and not the numb video game its made out to be. Its a car to be taken seriously.

I'd still pick the F12 for my purposes because my purposes are not generating lap times. But, since this thread is about generating numbers it really is appropriate.

(I suspected the F12s claimed curb weight is a little on the lower side)