Ferrari Enzo costs more then a Mclaren F1?

If the McLaren F1 costs less than an Enzo, then that is a steal. The McLaren F1 has been my ultimate dream car since I read about it in a car audio mag 10 year ago. Dennis didn't like how much the stereo weighed, so he sent it back and make them (Kenwood IIRC) redesign it...

Gene

 

Just what records did the F1 break? At that same time, the Vector would hit 242 mph, and was certified as such at the Salt Flats. The F1 was slightly faster to 60mhp, but about the same in the 1/4 mile (at least to the "later" vector's with excess of 700 hp/tq) For being a lightweight, from the factory, the street cars handled for crap... today, those issues are solved on a "per customer" basis. One former F1 customer could not understand that the car was right, and took corners the way it did... sent it back to McLaren at great cost, just to find out "its the same as every other F1"... to which, the vintage race car driver sold it.

... and build quality at Macca is second from none... think Saleen S7 quality. It's fine that you like it.. but the car doesn't belong on a pedestal.

 

Where are Enzos trading for 1.6 million. I have noticed that they are trading around 1.2 and 1.3 million. Also F1's RARELY come up for sale and they run a little higher than 1.2 million. If you are thinking of the yellow F1 that was over at Silicon Valley Auto Group, I think that car was local to New York(Schaevitz) for a while, and I remember hearing about the car having many problems, which probably caused the price to be low.

 

Well the difference is just 100k or 200k

The difference is not a lot but...

http://www.dupontregistry.com/Autos/Search/DRauSearchResults.aspx?sorttype=1&makeid=31&makename=Ferrari&modelid=35&modelname=Enzo

BTW can you give a link to the ad or the sale of that McLaren F1 because as far as I remember i never seen one for sale...

Like Kevin said in the post below this...i never seen an Enzo for 1.6mil just 1.3 or 1.4mil

 

In the real world McLaren F1's are selling for more than Enzos. Of all those Enzos on DuPont only one was available as of a couple weeks ago, those ads are horribly out of date. Some dealers/brokers leave them up just to get people to call them... And keep in mind those prices are ASKING prices, not necessarily the price the cars actually sell for. I have never seen an Enzo with an asking price of $1.6 million, no clue where the OP got that from, but he seems to have his numbers backwards - The McLaren is the rarer, AND more expensive car.

The yellow F1 that was at Silicon Valley actually was sold at the RM auction in Monterey in 2006, for $1.7 million... Lot #471... http://www.rmauctions.com/AuctionResults.cfm?SaleCode=MO06

 

F1s don't cost $1.2 mil.

 

Correct.
Chassis 013 was recently put up for sale, an offer was made for 2.4 million. The car did not sell as the owner wanted a bit more. If you can find an F1 for under 2 million it's a "bargain".

 

Is the local new york F1 chassis #014? I ve heard of one somewhere in new york which was painted white and has a LM downforce kkit.

 

+1

In Europe F1s are changing hands for $2.5million+ and Enzos for $1.2million+..........

 

014 was the yellow Silicon Valley/RM Auction car that IIRC was repainted white and yes, is in the NY area.

 

OMG OMG OMG , the F1 is the ultimate i need to have sex with it !

Holy ****, enough with this adoration . Its a great car, no need to make it your god ..

 

Hey now...

>8^)
ER

 

dude...

 

http://www.thecarexperience.com/ASS/3/McLaren.htm

TP

 

When you have done F40, F50, XJ220, CGT, CLK GTR, Zonda F, Enzo and so on and so on, McF1 is the one to get...
I can't count on my fingers how many Carrera GT owners dream of the F1

It doesn't do anything for me, though, my ultimate dream is Zonda F.

 

That's chassis #064 - they haven't had that car for quite some time. Here's chassis #013 on their current stocklist:

http://www.autosalon-singen.de/Katalog-McLaren-F1-08980_0032_03_10.aspx?languageID=GB

The photos are bigger and better too.

>8^)
ER

 

anyone know how much Ralph Lauren paid to get the LM?

 

About twice the going rate for an F1 road car - the figure I was told was around $4M. It's the only LM that has ever changed hands from its original owner. Three are still in Brunei, one is in Japan and the final one is the prototype which is displayed inside the McLaren Technology Center.

>8^)
ER

 

Why not? It was raced, it has a racing pedigree (like the Enzo), and nearly 100 cars vs. the Vectors 18 cars...that says a lot. And the Vector is generally perceived as a kit-like car, whereas the Mclaren isn't.

I also saw on another forum where you were claiming Vectors were trading hands for $800k-$1m, I'd like to know where that number pops up. Back in 2000 at the Monterey auction, a W8 with practically no mileage couldn't get bids past $167k, and the yellow one that now resides with Tony in the Bay Area was listed for sale in the late 90s or so for $375k (not sure what he picked it up for)

Then there was the black Vector for sale in the late 90's (I want to say 1998) that was originally delivered there, and it was listed for the equivalent of $65k (with the exchange rate at the time). And the white one that was in essence stolen from So. Cal that is now for sale in Japan is about 10% of the values you posted.

It's fine that you like the Vector, I was a fan of the car, but it too doesn't belong on a pedestal. The Mclaren on the other hand, that's a pedestal car.

 

Ever see a Vector W8? Far from kit car quality, and compared to the interiors of the other supercars of the era, the Vector's was far superior too. The Megatech-owned M12 was kit car like, and has been written that it was the "worst car ever tested" both in Autoweek, and in Top Gear magazine. You'd be hard pressed to find such an article about the W8.

There were over 40 orders for the W8 when the company was illegally taken over by the indonesians. One problem, in hindsight, is that Weigart was always working on the next project, not seeing the current success of the W8 through... hence, working on the Avtech cars almost immediately while W8 production was still 'new'. Megatech/ Suharto didn't care about making the W8.... and even cut running chassis in pieces just to prove to the Vector employees that they didn't care.

Last year, a pristine W8 traded hands for 1.2 M... it largley depends on the condition of the car, and a few cars, which have regularly traded hands, are in quite poor condition... and how badly the car is wanted.
Why is no. 8 for sale for so cheap? Look at who "owns" it... and there is a stigma in Japan on Vectors because of the original owner of the first Japan car belonged to a japanese mob boss, who was murdered... take a look at the culture in Japan to understand why other japanese people stay away. People around the world aren't going for that W8 because of who owns it, and the dubble-cross that they pulled.

Not only was the W8 the fastest production car on the planet until the Koenigsegg came along, but it is still the worlds safest car according to USDOT testing.

Are there things I don't like about the W8? Absolutely. The rear end is unresolved... fixed in the Avtech cars. There was no manuel transmission technology in existance at the time that could last a lifetime of the cars' owner... and the automatic, is only a 3 speed. However, it is a "manual automatic" and stays on boost between shifts.

Unlike the Macca, the Vector actually pulls a higher skidpad number then the F40 in "street settings" OE. Unlike the Macca, or any other supercar, the cost of proper maintenance is literally 1/100th the cost.... change fluids 2x a year... and the parts that do "break" over time are VERY cheap. This doesn't include if a car has had a "history" with some previous owner.

The W8 isn't on a pedestal, but I do love it. If there is any pedestal car today, and for all time, it is the Veyron... and even that isn't on one. The F1 just isn't that good. A car that light ought to handle great OE... Macca make great race cars... but even the SLR isn't that good...

 

Unfair to drag SLR in this discussion.

McLaren wants light supercar and Mercedes comes along to require GT-feautures and comfort!

 

But, it is built at Macca, no? IMHO, their CF work is rather poor, and has numerous creases, and waves in the body work