Ferrari crash in Newport this morning...

Yahoo has video: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=12444333&ch=207399&src=sports

 

Video of crash scene

http://www.ocregister.com/video/index.php?bcpid=1127694947&bclid=1389981756&bctid=15386409001

 

The CS wouldn't lose control at 100+mph on that particular curve on a DRY road. It doesn't undulate enough nor is the curve sharp enough to bring the back end around. I think the person that mentioned the road conditions at 1:30am in the morning with the marine layer/slick surface might one of/or the main contributing factor(s). I know that Jamboree gets very slick when the marine layer rolls in and under those conditions anything beyond 70 to 80 would be dangerous in my opinion. 100+mph would be ludicrous. 140mph would be deadly. The other factors mentioned (potential contact) might have contributed to the accident as well but my money would be on the surface conditions and high speed.

 

Very sad to see. Heard the news at the track this morning.

RIP.

 

RIP

Be careful out there fellows...

 

Very sad to hear. Charles was on the red carpet for the "Watchmen" premiere in Hollywood just last week.

 

It was a Scuderia. I was at Tapout the same morning.

 

No it's wasn't. CS.

 

RIP Mask

http://www.tapout.com/

 

Looks like HE physically hit the light pole.

 

I'll wait for the computer animations that will at length appear.

I'll watch them sadly.


RIP

 

yeah, I saw that too

 

RIP.....Be carefull guys, it seems that this happens way to often.

 

I'm curious. Does the CS have a chasis/structure breaking point similar to that on the Enzo?

 

The front part of the structure of a 360 and a 430 from the dash forward is magnesium. I would think that the natural breaking point is where the magnesium is bonded to the rest of the frame.

The seats should have stayed attached to the cabin of the car just like we saw with the Enzo in Malibu. The difference here may have been an unlucky point of impact by the lightpole which caused the break to occur further into the cabin.

 

I like the 360 but every major accident the cars seem to disintegrate such as the hockey player who killed his bud and others,you don't see the older tube frame cars in multiple pieces.

 

Everything is a trade off: The rigid tube frame cars did not do much for energy disapation in a crash (ask Dale Earnhart) and tended to transfer the energy from a crash into the cabin. Newer cars do a better job of absorbing the energy but perhaps at a risk to tearing in half if you go sideways into a rigid pole.

Scott

 

I don't buy that, Porsche 911 930s are unibodys and they don't split when impacting solid objects, that's like saying a helmet that disintigrates is designed to absorb impact to protect your head. Cars can have crumplezones like my BB which recently a guy hammered one into a wall and the front is wasted but the cabin was intact and doors opened, he walked away.

 

May I present this 120mph accident of a Porsche 911 in Hong Kong. Both driver and passenger died.

An Audi A3 (a 5 star safety pick) meets a tree in Portugal. Everyone died.

An M5 disintegrates with 5 killed.
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Wow! That A3 crash is HORRIBLE!

 

If you hit any static object hard enough with a car sideways, the car will break apart. With all of the weight saving measures that these cars have things like this are going to happen because the middle of the car is always going to be the weakest link.

The MMA community has lost a dear friend. You will be missed Mask.

 

At least he died in a Ferrari not many people can top that. RIP

 

No part of the structure is magnesium. It is aluminum. There are extruded aluminum longerons making up the structure at the rocker panel area welded to large aluminum castings forming the connection for the doors, cowl area and more extrusions running diagonally forward to the castings that support the suspension. 360 breaks apart at the juncture of the main rocker extrusions at their attachment point of the cowl castings. That is right at the forward edge of the door. Castings break rather than bend or deform so that is a natural breaking point for the car.

At this point we have seen so many of the cars break at that point, many in accidents far less serious than this that I think facing a good legal team Ferrari would have a very hard time defending it. My money is that this one goes to court and I wouldn't be betting on a Ferrari win.

How many cars need to very publicly break in half before someone notices and makes an issue of it.

 

Not a great view but the best I have showing the front corner structure.

The longerons I spoke of are incredibly strong but being attached to a non flexible casting they are destined to break off.

And note I said destined, not designed.
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There was also a disasterous BMW e92 335 crash that happened in May of 2007 I believe. The car looked just like the M5, maybe worse (if that's possible) nothing was left.