Ferrari Commits to V12

Source for this commitment to building V12s?

Is there a recent news or press release?

And, the V6 are definitely not doing that whatsoever, not even close. The piccolo V6 requires the V6+turbos+hybrid entanglement to come up to the power level of the current V12. Reminder, the V12 does not require turbos or hybrid to achieve its power. Far less complex, that's a solid reason to continue the V12.

 

Its behind a paywall but probably refers to something like the Purosangue launch a few months ago as opposed to anything recent & specific

 

Yes, you are right about the V6's having as much power, especially when hybridized, but power and acceleration specs don;t describe the car's soul (or lack thereof)

 

V12 NA with 700-800hp is a lot more attractive compared with a hybridized V6TT 1200 hp.
To my taste of course.

 

Why Ferrari will keep making V-12s for as long as possible
The Italian supercar maker's commitment to its biggest engine comes as rivals drop their V-12s because of pressure to reduce CO2.

March 21, 2023 01:00 AM
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  While rivals are downsizing to turbocharged V-6s or V-8s for their crossovers, Ferrari went the opposite direction, choosing its naturally aspirated V-12 for the new Purosangue.
  
  
  Europe might be in the midst of an electrification transformation, but Ferrari has no plans to give up on its most powerful internal combustion engine: the naturally aspirated V-12.
  
  "We will invest into this type of engine as long as it will be possible," Ferrari Product Marketing Manager Pietro Virgolin
  
  Ferrari's commitment to the V-12 comes as rivals drop their largest engines because of pressure to reduce CO2.
  
  For example, the Rolls-Royce Black Badge Wraith Black Arrow will be the BMW Group subsidiary's last V-12 coupe as it transforms into an electric-only brand.
  
  The limited run of 12 units is already sold out, Rolls-Royce said Monday.
  
  
  BMW dropped the same engine last year.
  
  Bentley has said it will stop production of parent Volkswagen Group's 6.0-liter, W-12 engine next year as the brand shifts to selling electric cars.
  
  "The time has come to retire this now-iconic powertrain as we take strides toward electrification," Bentley CEO Adrian Hallmark said in a statement.
  
  The Italian supercar maker also plans an electric car, due to in 2025, but has not revealed plans to go all-electric.
  
  It further underlined its combustion-driven position with a surprising decision to drop a 6.5 liter, V-12 into the new Purosangue's engine bay.
  
  Most competitors in the sporty crossover/SUV space have opted for turbocharged V-8s or V-6s.
  
  Virgolin said Ferrari chose to use the V-12 in the Purosangue, the brand's first four-door car, "because it offered the best performances and enabled a better positioning within the Ferrari product range."
  
  Bigger engine also means higher price tag.
  
  At 390,000 euros in Italy, the Purosangue will cost nearly twice as much as a V-8-powered Roma coupe. Meanwhile, the SF90 Stradale plug-in hybrid, which uses a turbocharged V-8 with total power output of 986 hp, is even more expensive, starting at 440,000 euros.
  
  Profit margins for cars with larger engines are also higher, Ferrari says.
  
  While Ferrari isn't giving up on V-12s, they only accounted for 18 percent of the company's European sales in 2022, led by the 812 GTS roadster, according to market researcher Dataforce. The V-12 share is expected to grow in the short term because of demand for the Purosangue.
  
  Different paths
  
  The list of V-12s in high-end cars is short.
  
  Aston Martin offers them in the DB11 and DBS coupes.
  
  Mercedes-Benz offers a V-12 on the top-of-the-range Maybach sedan.
  
  
• Lamborghini said the plug-in hybrid supercar that will replace the Aventador coupe will have a naturally aspirated 6.5-liter, V-12 engine coupled with three electric motors.
  
  The Volkswagen Group subsidiary's first plug-in hybrid is scheduled to be unveiled next week.
  
  While Ferrari offers plug-in hybrids featuring V-8 and V-6 engines, it has no plans to hybridize its
  V-12 engine.
  
  In addition, Ferrari is fighting a bid by Europe's lawmakers to ban the sale of models with internal combustion engines (ICEs) starting in 2035. Ferrari and Porsche are among the automakers that believe synthetic e-fuels should be carved out from the EU's planned 2035 ban.
  
  A final vote on the 2035 ban was due on March 7, but was indefinitely delayed amid fears that Germany could abstain, which would torpedo the regulation.
  
  Should Europe enact an ICE ban in 2035, Ferrari and its competitors would still be able to market their V-12s, V-8s and V-6s in many other parts of the world. But for Ferrari a ban would hurt as more than 40 percent of its shipment were to Europe last year.

 

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2023/03/22/theyre-not-all-giving-up/

 

This is a sad pronouncement - I just got a Bentayga W12 the way it pushes with 600hp/664lbs of torque is wonderful.

 

This is the sole reason I traded my 2020 Flying spur W12 this past Fall for another 2022 Spur W12. Only 12 cylinder left for the spur is the Speed which I didn't care for.

 

Same for Bentayga - going forward only the Speed has the W12, and now that's only one more year.

I still have no idea WTF they're thinking trying to legislate out a primary global industry, when 6-7% adoption of EV consumer vehicles maxes out the electrical grid in states that have gotten there (CA). Some completely stupid, economist-type assumptions that power generation will just magically appear. Why not just make a law that all cars need to have nuclear fusion power and can reach escape velocity for space travel to Mars?* Hyper-drive reactors? Lightspeed?


* Have we already begun to address how Mars travel will negatively affect POC and LGTBQ+? I worry they're already being left behind...

 

In order to power all these electric cars they are going to have to build many V12's to generate the electricity to recharge the batteries!

 

Nothing puts the power down as smoothly as a NA V12. That freight train like pull as the power a torque build..you just cannot replicate that in a v6 or V8. Never mind the smooth idle and that wonderful sound.

 

EV makes sense for RR since it is all about silent torque wafting down the road. But it needs range and we need much much better infrastructure for me to ever consider it. I have a Ghost and the V12 in it is amazing. I’ll try to time it to buy one of their last V12 before they switch over. Then maybe I can make that car last into late 2030’s and infrastructure hopefully better.

 

ANYTHING a V6 can do, a V12 can do better given the same build. In fact, a V6 is a poor platform from a harmonic and vibrational standpoint. An in-line 6 is better.

A true car guy needs to own a V12 sports car…..buy ‘em up now.

 

A V-12 Ferrari just has that, " je ne sais quoi"

 

So does the Lamborghini V12.

 

Please try to explain this to Vigna and Elkann !

 

The V-12 could be an revived exclusivity statement too since no one else will have a V-12. Maybe Ferrari can bring back 3 pedal cars properly adjustable for heel/toe downshifting marketed to pure enthusiasts who can actually drive.

 

Just asking :
Wouldn’t a very compact Ferrari with rear mounted V12 NA and six speed manual gearbox sell like hot cakes ?
Ps : With a beautiful fluid design ( not like the T50)

 

V12 yes. Manual, not so much. Last time Ferrari offered a manual no one cared about it. Not that it matters, as it would pose emission problems and the very small numbers wouldn't justify the investment for a new manual anyway. Also, slower performance numbers on paper, due to the manual, don't sell cars.

It will be very sad if Ferrari abandons the V12 in its top models though.

 

No they would sell the piss out of it. I would much rather have a fun to drive 530 hp V-12 manual than a 1,200 hp boring electric appliance.

 

What you 'd rather have doesn't matter. The market has spoken. Anyway, Ferrari wouldn't launch such a "slow" car, when their cruiser (the Roma) makes 620 HP. They wouldn't be able to justify the high selling price of a slower car, against the competition. The car you are referring to was made nearly 30 years ago (the F50). The world moves forward.

 

I have no doubt Ferrari has 500 (if not 1000+) clients who will purchase any new 'limited' car offered. Site unseen. Whatever it is, as long as it's a Ferrari.
These people are hundred-millionaires and BILLIONaires and money means nothing.
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As Porsche found out, there are a lot of people like me. If Ferrari has no need for me as a Client, that is fine…..this isn’t 1970, there are a lot of good choices.

In a lot of ways, Ferrari has become a joke with their designs and emphasis on non automaker income like apparel, most of it just tacky looking.