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FERRARI by Michael Mann

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  1. 375+

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    I had a chance watch the new Ferrari movie by Michael Mann over the weekend and wanted to share a few of my impressions. This is the most accurate cinematic treatment of Enzo Ferrari yet there are a few niggling flaws.
    The film takes place in 1957, beginning with the death of Castellotti and climaxing with de Portago's accident in the Mille Miglia. There are a number of flashbacks to give some historical background. The death of Dino and the attendant grief is central to the story. Enzo's career as a driver is referenced in a grainy montage of 1920s racing footage--some from Indianapolis showing Miller model 91s in action.
    The dialogue is in Italian accented English (I assume they had accent coaches but . . ). I would prefer the dialogue in straight English or in Italian with subtitles.
    Was Laura Ferrari the treasurer or controller of the Ferrari company?
    The racing sequences aren't bad, I especially liked the scenes at the Modena Auto-Aerodrome. It is difficult to convey the spectacle of the Mille Miglia to an audience with zero knowledge of it. The film follows the leading contenders as if they raced in a pack for much of the race. There are very few shots showing the spectators lining the course as they did for many of the 1000 miles. Some of the mountain sequences are desolate with not a soul in sight. The occasional Armco barrier sneaked past the film editor.
    I was unaware of any direct approaches made to/from the industry giants in this period. FIAT and Ford are both mentioned several times. I know of Gianni Agnelli's long relationship with Enzo Ferrari but I suspect that the Ford reference was an attempt to form some fallacious connection for those who have seen Ford vs. Ferrari? (feel free to correct me)
    I liked the portrayal of Agnelli.
    Best performance: Penelope Cruz (Laura Ferrari) hands down.
    Role of a lifetime: Patrick Dempsey as Piero Taruffi, he must be on cloud nine.
    This is a very worthwhile film, it will be released on Christmas. Thank you Mr. Mann for an even-handed treatment of a very complex character--a fine job.
    FORZA FERRARI!
     
  2. Alex308qv

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    Your review is great to hear! I was not optimistic after seeing the trailer.
     
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  3. jpalmito

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    Thank you for this detailed review !
    I have to say I’m both impatient and frightened to watch this movie.
    ;)
     
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    Im indecisive when it comes to watching this movie. Im more partial to documentaries when it comes to true stories. " Ferrari , Race To Immortality " is one that comes to mind. Thanks for the review though.

    Big G
     
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  5. Doug.

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    One thing is for certain it will be a more accurate representation than what they did to Ferruccio.
     
  6. ChipG

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    I'm friends with one of the people who was hired as a researcher, she and I have drinks once a month or so, to say we talked a lot about it is an understatement, they spent so much time to get things accurate, apparently, she also spent time with a few people on this form who are some of the best historians in the world. I can't wait to see it, I was out of town when I was invited to a screening.
     
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  7. Sunshine1

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    Thank you for the review, I’ll watch it.
     
  8. Caeruleus11

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    The movie is good but I caution you, as Mr. Ferrari himself called it his "terrible joys" - racing, and the damage it can do. There are some very graphic scenes so you should consider this if you are bringing little ones or are squeamish. This is a movie for adults. It's very character driven, which I appreciated. But, strangely, I found it either too short and not time to give more character, or too long to be a little taste of a moment in time. Its worth your while if you are a real Tifosi, but again, not for little ones.
     
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  9. 375+

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    +1 agree. One scene is particularly graphic.
     
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    Well, the film is promoted as being based on Yates’s book (he’s in the writing credits), so it isn’t surprising that it’s a bit lurid. It’s been decades since I’ve read Yates’s book but my recollection is that it covers a longer period of time than the movie does. Maybe……”Hey, if we got something wrong don’t blame us. We just used some guy’s book!”;)

    As a piece of cinema art created by Michael Mann I’m sure it’s good. I’m always interested in who the technical consultants are in movies like this but I couldn’t find any on the IMDb page.
     
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  12. Marcel Massini

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    Totally unnecessary graphic scenes towards the end. Very very Hollywood, really no need for that.
    And the guy playing Enzo looks way too young. After all, in 1957 Enzo Ferrari was 59 years already. Enzo Ferrari was a big, tall, strong man. Not so the movie guy.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    I have not seen the movie yet, but I do plan on seeing it soon. I am not expecting accuracy, just entertainment, like what we had with Ford V Ferrari.

    From the trailer, the guy playing Enzo doesn't look anything like the Enzo I've seen in countless photographs. Been following Ferrari for my entire adult life - at 77 years old, that's a long time! From what I understand, the movie was inspired or based upon Brock Yates' book on Ferrari. I have that book and have read it more than once - it covers Enzo's entire life, while the movie is focused on a small part of it. So, what will the casual movie goer get out of this flick? What will the knowledgeable Ferrari/motorsports enthusiast think of the film? Is it aimed at the "Drive to Survive" Netflix crowd? I don't know what demographic they're after.
     
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    One reviewer said the CGI was amateurish.
     
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    I can't wait to see it.
     
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    I’m seeing it Christmas Day. We’ll see what I think.

    I’m in the camp that it doesn’t have to be a detail perfect documentary to be a good and enjoyable movie. Ford vs. Ferrari was one of those. I spotted all (most?) of the inaccuracies, but understood how they made for more drama, and made the movie more entertaining for those who just wanted a good story. And it was a really good enjoyable movie, so job done.
     
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    The CGI I have seen is very amateur. A buddy of mine is in the industry so I have seen a lot of good and bad cgi. Honestly it looks awful.
     
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  18. Jack-the-lad

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    Disappointing. You’d think Mann would have demanded better.
     
  19. ChipG

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    but Adam Driver and Enzo were both 6'2" so not sure yet how it was shot, yet to see it
     
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    Had an opportunity to see the film last night.

    Agree with your observations. Agree the reference to Ford was false. That dialog began in the early '60's, not in '57. Can't speak to the Fiat reference with Agnelli.

    Overall I enjoyed the film. It passed my 2 film criteria. Was I entertained? + Was it informative? + Could it have been better? Absolutely .

    For the average person with little or no knowledge of Ferrari or automobiles, I'm guessing they would enjoy the film. Interestingly at the screening, one of the 'stunt' drivers in the film was present and he made comments regarding the film and Michael Mann's goals with the film. He said Director Mann's aim was to be as accurate as possible; with the driving sequences, the cars and Ferrari's life. Other experts can decide whether that was achieved or not, but as far as I could tell, it appeared to be historically correct, except for the aforementioned Ford reference.

    The sounds were realistic to my ear and the engine noises were sublime. Watching those '50's era Ferraris on the road made my day. Be forewarned, the graphic crash scene at the ending left some in the audience disturbed.

    Having read the Yate's book the movie was based on puzzled me as it's old now. I wish they had used the more recent Dal Monte book on Mr. Ferrari's life, but my guess is the audience wouldn't have noticed nor cared.

    My assessment is a B+/ A- Great effort. Execution could be improved.
     
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  21. 375+

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    +1 Spot-on.
    I still don't get the King Hussein scene? Taking delivery of a comp car(was it a 290MM in Francorchamps livery, don't think that he ever owned one), in the rain, the comment about the top/roof--huh?
     
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    I was confused about that as well. Didn't get the 'point' other than Mr. Ferrari was dealing with royalty in selling his cars.
     
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    FYI those 50's era "Ferraris" were all replicas especially built for the movie, based on Caterhams. Built by Campana in Modena.

    And as I mentioned earlier already that bloody graphic crash scene at the ending really should not be in the film. It basically ruins the entire movie and is purely unnecessary sensationalism. For what?

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  24. jm2

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    Yes I was aware that they were replicas. The stunt driver made that very clear, lest anyone think they were the real cars.
    Couldn't imagine throwing around multi million $ Ferraris for a film.
     
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