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Ferrari already throwing in the towel for 2021

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  1. william

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    We are allowed to suspect anything, since neither the FIA nor Ferrari came clear on this.

    Tampering with the fuel flow seems to be what Ferrari was doing, and nobody can deny it, since the issue was shrouded in mystery.

    When transparency is absent: the doubt always persists.
     
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  3. Senna1994

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    Had they had a Briatore or even a Arrivabene, they would have told the FIA to piss off, unlike Binotto (the clown). The fuel flow was ingenious, unlike Racing Point copying the MBZ. Ferrari should have told them to go pound sand.
     
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  4. Bas

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    A new rule was put in place...to take Ferrari's power advantage away. That to me reads exactly the way it is: their engine (the advantage) was taken away.
    This is an engine that the FIA had access to for how long? And ran extra sensors on just the Ferrari PU since Baku 2018. Yet never could prove a thing. If the FIA could prove Ferrari cheated they would've done so. They had access to the engines for nearly 2 years. Never found anything. So yes, Ferrari's engine was taken away.

    End of the 2020 pre-season test FIA tells ferrari to stop doing whatever it is FIA didn't know Ferrari was doing. Ferrari had to build the engine they got for 2020 during corona ''off season''. That's why it was a turd.
     
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  5. Bas

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    Nobody can PROVE it.
     
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  6. Senna1994

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    100% another reason why the Current Ferrari Principal is a weakling. Had he had any balls he would have told them to go to hell, there has always been been gray areas in F1, not trying to take advantage of the fuel flow on the straights while reducing it during braking in the corners was ingenious. Ferrari finally had the PU, where they screwed up was the Chassis which they got wrong in 2019.
     
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  8. Bas

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    I think I said it during 2019 season...stick that engine in the 2018 car and win the titles.
     
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  9. simpen

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    Haha, that was the semantic discussion I tried to avoid... If FIA could not find what was wrong with the engine, how come after they settled performance went from race-winning to being overtaken by Williams ;)

    I still think Binotto should go, it is F1 and instability is to be expected and managed. Getting close is just not good enough with the available budget. By keeping him on, they only extend the period of mismanagement which will yield few results, and it will take longer to rebuild the team after he eventually gets the sack. He can now blame the design token-limit, but this is only a serious limit because there is so much wrong with the car already.
     
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  10. TonyL

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    Nobody knows for certain but if they did circumvent the rules by increasing the fuel flow rate of 100 kg/hr max. or the fuel flow below 10,500rpm (0.009xrpm +5.5) then they would naturally use more fuel so its counter productive, unless they could get so far in front they could coast home at the end with a empty tank.
    Best
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  11. TonyL

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    spot on and moreover the facilities they have at there disposal. He is not credited with much innovation since he joined SF in the 90's so his rise to fame is unconvincing!
     
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  13. william

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    Nobody can prove or or deny it.
    It's one of those blurred issues that the FIA, and Ferrari have created.
    People are entitled to say anything about it.
     
  14. SimCity3

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    Prove it
     
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  15. TonyL

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    Nobody can prove or or deny that any team on the grid are not cheating in one form or another.
    It's one of those blurred issues that the FIA, and F! have created.
    People are entitled to say anything about it
     
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    Just imagine Todt in the same situation as Binotto.:D
    No contest.
     
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  17. SimCity3

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    The FIA as governing body created the blur.
    If it was a clear cut case of cheating FIA would publish it's report.
    FIA were embarrased by the grey loophole in their own rules.

    Ferrari should have told FIA to shove off.
     
  18. TonyL

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    well worth watching to the uninformed.

    The question is - with MV & Red bulls sudden change in form, do the FIA investigate them
     
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  19. SimCity3

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    MV has always been fast.
    FIA can investigate him as much as they wish

    :D
     
  20. jgonzalesm6

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    That video was from 2018 on the double battery issue investigation on Ferrari...which was okay.

    In 2019, after Austin, Max said Ferrari is cheating but Ferrari downplayed the accusation and since then they have really slowed down and that's when the FIA stuck in the 2nd fuel flow sensor for 2020 thereby handicapping Ferrari for all of 2020.
     
  21. william

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    Yes, something "was going on", that neither Ferrari nor the FIA wanted to reveal.
    This lack of transparency is worse than the technical offense itself, and not what you expect from a governing body.
    The fact that both sides tried to keep it secret by a "settlement out of court" makes it very suspicious.
    To the cynics, the undisclosed fine sounds very much like a bribe for the FIA to bury the issue.
     
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    Yeah, some of the team principals were not happy with the undisclosed finds from the FIA and keeping it under wraps.
     
  23. Korr

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    FIA completely botched the handling of that event. No surprise, really. What is somewhat surprising is that they don't even try to cover up their corruption anymore.
     
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    FIA also gave a free pass to Merc on the secret tire testing and all the oil burning rumors, only tightening the rules.
     
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  25. DeSoto

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    At this moment FIA has given so many passes and owes so many favours that the rules are just a matter of politics.

    A lot of time or a big collapse would be needed to clean this corruption. Oh, well, but I'll keep watching anyway.
     
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  26. DF1

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    Not including Ferrari, I recall no team pleased with this. The appearance of this 'secret' agreement is bad simply for credibility overall.
     
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  27. crinoid

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    Exactly. Let’s talk about all the cheats that Mercedes has NOT been penalized for. Tire testing. Having the tires changed when it didn’t suit their car. Etc etc.
     
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  28. DF1

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    On topic - Voiced by Binotto prior to testing:


    "Binotto also said that with the team so focused on capitalising on the opportunities for 2022, it will not devote much time on developing the SF21 during the forthcoming campaign.

    "Our focus during 2021 will be developing the 2022 car," he said. "That will be the main target, so we will not spend much time on the 2021 [car] during the season.

    "There is always a balance, and it's a choice that we need to make at some stage. But the 2022 car is such a big change that there is at least a minimum quantity of exercise and design and projects that need to be developed. So most of the effort will be there."
     
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