Ferrari 250GT Tour de France Zagato and F2001b

This has been well known for weeks and has become public 26 July already. Also posted last week Thursday on fchat. See also here, posts 4667 and 4668:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pics-of-vintages-i-find-see-on-the-net.610759/page-187#post-149239881

Marcel Massini

 

Ballpark on what 0665 will go for? Sealed auction so maybe only the Massini's/Kidstons of the world may know but 10million? 20?

 

IMO, likely more than $10, but surely less than $20.

 

Zoute Sale on 8 October 2023 has this one for sale :

Bonhams : 1959 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta Tour de France Chassis no. 1401GT

 

I disagree. My speculation is that although the Zagato body is rare and a quite interesting design it does not hold up to 0677 GT or 1033GT for achievements. Both of these cars were TdF winners with Gendebien along with substantial other victories. 0677GT was also used by the factory (along with 0733GT) for development of the 12 intake port outside plug 128 engine.

 

Diverging a bit, the Interims are the last development of the LWB TdF series yet seem to get a lot less respect.

 

Very last 250 LWB TDF built.

Marcel Massini

 

I would put all the Interims as part of the TdFso 1523GT would be the last built with 1521GT the last existent . Same chassis and 128 motors. Different body but then there were already an assortment of different bodies: wrap around rear glass, 14 louver, new body style 3 louver, single louver, and some Zagato bodies.

 

I see what you mean and absolutely agree with you.

Marcel Massini

 

Quoted from Bonham: "The Ferrari's last outing in 1960 was at the Mille Miglia Rallye with competitor number '1'.".

AFAIK the 1960 Mille Miglia Rallye was scheduled for October but cancelled, and 1401 GT was raced in the 2° Mille Miglia rally in 1959 by Luigi Taramazzo and Giovanni Gerini on race number 1 (DNF/crash).

Never heard of the Eberback hill climb in Southern Germany either. Yes I know, it is a silly tipo and should be Eberbach, but you would expect more thoroughly checked info when trying to sell a $5M - $7M car

 

You probably mean Guerino Gerini, not Giovanni Gerini.
I understand the Eberbach hillclimb in Germany was run from 1959 until 1970.

Marcel Massini

 

Hi all,
I also read the race history given in the car description and I think I can add and correct some race informations.

1.) Edgar Berney entered and raced 250 GT LWB S/N 1401 GT (ex Spinedi) at the Rheinland-Pfalz-Preis, a support race for the Grand Prix race at the Nürburgring (06.08.1961) on race Nr. 42, but suffered an engine damage in practise and did not start the race.

2.) In the early 60’s 2 Eberbach hillclimb races held during a year, a “international” race in April and a more “national” race in October. In 1963 the “International Eberbach hillclimb” took place at 21.04. and there were some Ferrari entered, like Kalman von Csazy’s Ferrari 250 GTO, but not Martin Stephani with a Ferrari. He was entered and drove S/N 1401 GT in the second Eberbach hillclimb that year at 20.10. with race nr. 150 (see scans),

best wishes,
BjörnS
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Please list all Ferrari entries for the International Eberbach hillclimb in April 1963? I have only von Csazy listed in my database.

 

21.04.1963 / International Eberbach hillclimb entries:
Nr. 185 / von Csazy / Ferrari 250 GTO / 1. Platz GT
Nr. 189 / Günther Lohsträter / Ferrari 250 GT SWB / 2. Platz GT
Nr. 191 / Werner Rüfenacht (Squadra Foitek) / Ferrari 250 GT SWB / 5. Platz GT

best wishes,
BjörnS

 

Kalman von Csazy: 250 GTO Series I, chassis 3527 GT (3809 GT).
Werner Rüfenacht: 250 GT SWB Berlinetta Comp, chassis 1887 GT.
Günther Lohsträter: 250 GT SWB Berlinetta, was this chassis 1807 GT???

 

correct S/N for the GTO and the Rüfenacht SWB...
But 1807GT left germany end of 1961...
Günther Lohsträter drove SWB S/N 1997GT.

best wishes,
BjörnS

 

What color is that?
Looks too 'gold' for Ingrid...

 

Looks like Oro Chiaro or something.

 

Did Günther Lohsträter own 1997 GT? For him I have a number of races in 1961 - 1963 with only the indication "250 GT". Next to a 250 GT Berlinetta he also drove 250 GT SWB California Spyder chassis 2167 GT.

 

Results from Zoute sale on 8 October 2023:
Bonhams : The Zoute Sale

Some strange results for non-Ferrari cars where a Fiat 500 Joly (155.000 EUR) costs almost as much as a limited Aston Martin DB AR1 Zagato Roadster (158.000)... ;-)