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Ferrari 250 GTE with all 250 GTO mods

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  1. Enigma Racing

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  4. Napolis

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    Is this not true?

    I'm stunned.

    :)
     
  5. Bryanp

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    That would be Bob Ferrari of Scranton, PA. He loves it.
     
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    Oh my bad I thought he meant that on his death bed Enzo Ferrari approved this mutilation.
     
  7. Jack Perry

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    If it does not have an actual GTO SN number on the Chassis, it is a fake. It may be a great fake, but it is still a fake. Having said that, I would love to drive it. However, I'd be too embarrassed to own it.
     
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    you are 11 year user, 6k + posts, and subscribed. in other words license to kill. :D ;)
     
  10. ersatzS2

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    If this were in fact not cannibalized from a GTE but totally scratch-built: Has anyone ever taken the position that this sort of thing is merely a 1:1 'model?'
     
  11. merstheman

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    That's called a Replica.
     
  12. PSk

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    But something I would admire and not get so passionately upset about, and I would also consider comments about "making with his own hands", etc.

    This car is no different to the now 100's if not thousands of GTE's, Lusso's (yes), PF's that have been ruined to make a GTO, TR, etc. replica. One REAL Ferrari less ... such a damn shame.
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  13. michael platzer

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    100´s are more than enough! there have never been "thousands" of GTE's, Lusso's, and PF's! about 1750 of these models together have been built.
     
  14. michael platzer

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    i would still be interested in the GTE s/n.

    no commercial interest - just for storing the pics on my computer.
     
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    Money doesn't buy taste, evidently.
     
  16. kare

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    Only 36 250 GTOs were ever built.

    32 m/62 cars 4 of which were converted into m/64.
    3 more cars originally built as m/64.
    1 more car originally built with a LMB-body (s/n 4713).

    Would love to see more pics of the donor car, that is the most interesting thing - and I too would love to find out the serial number.
     
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    Just giving him a chance to sneak in a 'missing' number.........;-)
     
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    Can a 250 GTE chassis even be modded accurately into a GTO chassis? Or is the chassis number plate the only thing transferred to this replica.
     
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    Ciao Michael,
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    I wonder if the chassis on any of the replicas are modded to replicate the triangulated sections in the sill area as on the genuine car? Also, what about the tubing that supports the bodies? Pic from David Clarke's 250 GTO book.
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    Apparently yes.

    But I too hoped it was a GTE modified to GTO specs: that would have been awesome.
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    Yes I'd so love to do that to a GTE and then drift past GTO replicas on the race track while giving the driver the single finger salute.

    The good thing here is no GTE would be permanently harmed and what fun that car would be, what a sleeper :D
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    I must say from this picture this is one of the better looking replicas I've seen.
     
  24. solofast

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    You're dreaming... Even a GTO replica is much lighter and has much better weight distribution than a GTE. The GTE is a very nice grand touring car, but it is by no means a serious sports car. Never was, and never will be. Putting a bunch of GTO parts in a GTE would be like putting lipstick on a pig. There is no way a GTE, even with a lot of GTO parts will run with any reasonably real replica of a GTO.

    It's about the same analogy in comparing a Corvette with a Camaro. While the Camaro is a nice car, it's not in the same time zone as a Corvette, even though they share engines and have a lot in common, it's just not the same thing, one is a sports car and the other is a 2+2 grand touring car.

    For much the same reason, the GTE is pretty much the read headed stepchild of the Ferrari world. It was heavy, had poorer weight distribution, and was much slower and not nearly as sporting as a SWB or a GTO, or a Cali, or even a PF coupe. Add that to the fact that there were tons of them made, and they were not as valuable, some were not as well cared for, more of them were wrecked, and lots of them deteriorated to the point where they were picked over for their parts, or hacked into replicas of other more desirable models. Yes, the engines shared a lot of parts with the GTO, and for that reason you can make it pretty readily into a GTO spec engine, so that's why they are more valuable as parts than as whole cars. When all is said and done the GTE weighs almost 700 pounds more than a GTO and that makes it a touring car and not a sports car.

    When the Ford Thunderbird changed over from sports car to a 2+2 in 1958, the purists bemoaned the loss of the sports car, but 1957 production was 21,000 units (and that included three more months of production because the 58 was late). The 58 2+2 sold 37,000 units in only 9 months. I'm sure Enzo was nobody's fool, and he and Pininfarina realized that there was a much bigger market for a 2+2 than a 2 place car, and based on what they saw with the Thunderbird, I'd bet is wasn't coincidence that they started working on the GTE in early 59, and the rest is history.

    While this might be considered by some as heresy, you have to face it, there's lots of good reasons why GTE's are worth a lot less than other models produced in the 50's and 60's, and while some here revere all things made in Maranello, the GTE was the cash cow for Enzo's racing effort, and not much more.
     
  25. babci

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    No it can't. GTE main chassis rail tubing is larger in OD than GTO. : GTO 80MM oval- GTE 90 MM oval. There are also other differences as well that are not worth mentioning due to the basic size problem which is very ez to spot.
     

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