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  1. Monoposto

    Monoposto Karting

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    Thanks for that picture! I know the Adriaensen books... great stuff!!!

    You've got the Allegerita book?
     
  2. 2000 touring sp

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    Is there any informations haw the car looked with the original Vignale or the later Scaglietti body


    Abarth Ferrari 166MM 1953

    The racing class up to 2000ccm was continuously popular in Italy. Up to the start of the season of 1953 Ferrari had made changed on the 166 chassis .He took the brakes from tipo 212 and the rear axle from 340america. The Colombo designed 12cyl. Engine was running in its 5 year and developed 160 hp at 7000 r/min Compression 9,0:1 and with Webbers 36IF4C.
    The Scuderia Guastalla had just received a Ferrari 166MM with Vignale body, but the driver Giulio Musitella was unsatisfied with the car, as he claimed that it was to heavy.
    He went to Carlo Abarth to get help. Carlo Abarth promised to help and he removed all the parts and made a new car with inspiration in design from the Scaglione designed Abarth 1400 from 1952 with the central driver light.
    As the unconventional man Carlo Abarth was. To the chassis he made a body that was designed to race. All the parts was made as single pieces and bolted on the chassis.
    This construction made it easy to repair when there had been damage.
    On the chassis/body Abarth saved 55kg and the total weight of the new chassis/body was 275 kg.
    The improvements made results. Musitella took class victory in Taga Floria and used the car for the whole season 1953 with best result general victory in Messina 10 hours race.
    For the 1954 season the car was equipped with the new Ferrari 250GT engine 3,0 L and 220 hp.
    Later in 1954 it had a new carouse from Scagletti. Without any success, there after the Ferrari chassis 0262M disappeared.
    Almost 50 years after the Abarth body was changed the car turns up with a new replica body.
     
  3. dretceterini

    dretceterini F1 Veteran

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    Yes, but it's not for sale. I got 3 copies from Tony when the book first came out; one for me and two for Alfa friends in the US. I paid something like $70 each. I want the Fiat 8V/Siata book badly, but at the moment it is a big expense. I supplied some information to Tony on Siata when he first started doing that book something like 10 years ago.

    I have about 2000 car books, but there are at least 100 on my wants list, including all of the Sannia and Fornai books I do not have as yet, plus the Alfa, Ferrari and Bugatti Argentina books, the Bucciali book, some new ones on Delage and Delahaye, Le Mans, and on and on.
     
  4. dretceterini

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    I've never seen a photo of the Scaglietti body that was on this car. My Vignale Ferrari book by Massini is on loan at the moment, but I think there is a picture of the original Vignale body on this car in it...

    Here is a link to a photo of the Stanguellini Fiat 1200 Spider America Scaglione. I believe it is a "one-off"..

    http://new.photos.yahoo.com/etceterinidoctor/photo/294928804246271123/0
     
  5. Monoposto

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    I don't wanna buy it.. ;-)
    But it's a masterpiece!

    You've got your own library, I'm jealous!

    The Bucciali book is on sale in Holland for 39 euro's (it's a bargain and a wellknown store):

    http://www.automodellen.nl/new/cardocstockbrand.php?merkid=3649
     
  6. dretceterini

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    Thanks, just ordered it! One down and 99 more to go.....of course I'll probably add a few more when I get my e-mails showing new listings at Libreria 'dell Automobile and from other shops.

    Part of my library was my fathers, who was a panel-beater for the Mercedes Benz GP team pre-WWII, and later, raced a Lotus. I don't remember if it was a Lotus 8, 9 or 10.
     
  7. Motorace

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    Back when I had a thousand books, my wife asked how many more I needed to feel complete. I said "ten".

    When I had two thousand, she asked how many I still needed and I said "five".

    Somehow, it's hard to stop collecting more books than just the ones you think you need to complete your collection... especially when they won't stop coming out with new ones!
     
  8. dretceterini

    dretceterini F1 Veteran

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    My collection of books doesn't come close to my wife's collection of yarn, emroidery materials, beads, fabric, cross-stitch, etc, etc....
     
  9. Manel

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  10. dretceterini

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  11. Boudewijn

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    #86 Boudewijn, Feb 26, 2007
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  12. dretceterini

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  13. Manel

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  14. carvad

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    #89 carvad, Apr 2, 2010
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    Does anybody seen photos 0262M with first Vignale body?? I can't any find... Or may be car in the beginning was delivered to Abarth?
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    0262 M NEVER had a Vignale body. it was BORN with an Abarth body. The famous Abarth Smontabile Spider.

    Marcel Massini
     
  16. carvad

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    Mr. Massini, thank you so much. It's amazing car. And extra rare of course
     
  17. Ed Niles

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    Smontabile=dismountable, I think. And Wayne Sparling is an acknowledged master craftaman, IMHO. As someone around here likes to say, just my 2 cents worth.
     
  18. etceterini.com

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  19. carvad

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    Car had 1st IC place at the '53 Targa Florio to according the several sources. Is it not correct, I believe? Many cars had finished before Musitelli in S2.0 class.
     
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    #96 carvad, Mar 31, 2013
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    Would love to see photo of the Giulio Musitelli (customer of the 0262 M) in 1952-54... Does anybody has any pics? Thanks in advance.
     
  22. gimmea250swb

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    The black part down by the exhaust is actually part of the chassis. The white part is a modified bumper that was recently added since it didn't have one originally.
     
  23. tongascrew

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    I assume you are looking for pictures of the original 0262 M. I have copies of numerous pictures of the original as well as an original "2 litre V-12 Ferrari body by Abarth" article published in several publications. Though not perfect the rebody is an extraudinary effort to recreate the original with only a few pictures and sketches to go by. If you wish send me your P O address and I can send you copies. tongascrew
     
  24. carvad

    carvad Formula Junior

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    can not to send PM :( (has exceeded stored private messages quota)
     
  25. tongascrew

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    Sorry. I should have listed my e-mail: [email protected]
     

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