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F8 F8 lowering on stock springs..

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by StevenF8, Dec 20, 2021.

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  1. StevenF8

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    Hi I’m hearing that you can lower the F8 using the stock springs? Is it possible? Has anyone done it? I don’t want to change to a Novitec style springs as I’m very happy with the ride as is. Any feedback would be appreciated thanks


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  2. RoadRonin

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    If you lower your car on stock springs you will likely negatively impact the ride quality. If you want to lower your ride height and maintain your ride quality, Novitec springs are probably your best option. I've personally tried it both ways. My car lowered with Novitec springs rode better than when it was lowered on stock springs.
     
  3. StevenF8

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    This is what I was told by my shop.

    I don’t recommend lowering the car with the factory spring. The spring rates are different and lowering with the factory can cause more issues.
    The compression rate of the factory spring is not set up for a lower height.
    The Novitec springs are designed as a lower spring with a higher rate. Therefor it makes the car handle, perform and ride better than the stock spring.


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  4. FLU

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    It completely depends on how low you wanna go. If you only want up to 15mm lower, then the stock springs work perfectly fine. But if you want 20, 30, 40mm lower than stock, you’ll have issues as said above and it would be better to go Novitec.
     
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  5. blkdiablo33

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    i was told 20/21 to lower is diffrent from a 22,i tried on my 22 they said its diffrent than 21 they cant will need diffrent springs so i left it stock
     
  6. StevenF8

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    the Novitec would be different springs for a 2022 vs a 2021?
     
  7. Bigbobo

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    Would like to know what the difference is. It’s odd for Ferrari to make mid model changes.
     
  8. StevenF8

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    I was just told they are the same...
     
  9. StevenF8

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    my shop said he plans to lower it 15-18mm if i go to 18mm do you think i can keep it stock??
     
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  10. blkdiablo33

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    they were unable to do mine 22 f8 i left it alone tech stated diffrent from 21
     
  11. RayJohns

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    Do you have the front lift?

    If not, then you can usually lower the front or rear about 15mm on the stock coilovers. I've lowered my 458 on stock suspension (just by turning down the coils). There are some threads about it if you search around. However, you need to make sure you are dealing with highly competent people, because the aluminum jam nut stuff that Ferrari uses is very (and I stress *very) prone to seizes internally if you don't know what you are doing (again, many threads about that). Just search something like "stuck lock nut 458 coilover" and you'll find a number of horror stories.

    It can be done, but you have to make sure you do it exactly right and you only get one shot at it. If you screw it up (and both nuts turn as a unit), it's often time to go shopping for a used coil over.

    But yeah, 15mm should be no sweat on the stock coilovers and it doesn't negatively affect ride quality.

    If you start talking about slamming your car much over 20mm, then basically all bets are off when dealing with the stock stuff. 10mm to 15mm is usually okay, just don't mess up those delicate threads on the sleeve and/or lock nut or you'll be in a world of hurt.

    Ray

    Here's a video showing me doing it on my 458; it's just a video I made mainly for my own future reference, so it's unlisted on my channel, but it shows some of the details. The F8 is probably very similar:

     
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  12. RayJohns

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    The main point is you have to turn the jam nut away from the lower threaded seat in such a way where both items turn away from one another exactly as they were locked together. If you fail to do that, you'll end up galling the internal aluminum threads and it will lock them internally due to the damage. If that happens, I don't think there's really any course out of the situation. So you have to unlock them in one perfect motion where they unlock away from each other and spare those thin aluminum threads.

    And no amount of WD40 or lubricant will make any difference. It's all about unlocking the jam nut from the seat without anything shifting or moving incorrectly as far as the internal threads are concerned.

    Be super careful.

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  13. FLU

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    My car is a 22 with front lift and my dealer lowered it by only 15mm by my request. 18 isn’t far from 15, so I don’t see it affecting additional ride quality. Just make sure you have the proper techs with knowledge on the threads. Gotta leave enough threads in all the right places to avoid issues like Ray is saying.
     
  14. StevenF8

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    Ok thanks I’ll ask my dealer in the morning. If I lower it on stock springs do I need to do an alignment?


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  15. FLU

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    Yes, alignment is a must. Plus it will make sure you have a good one since it isn’t always the same coming from factory.
     
  16. halolo

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    Could you post a pic of the lowered car, please? Is 10-15 mm enough for a proper look?
     
  17. jmX

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    My 2022 F8 Spider was lowered on stock springs by how many ever "turns" Ferrari allows on the front, and the back was done to match. No mention of anything being different 2022 vs 2021. I have the front lift and IMO the car looks good. Definitely not slammed though, but low enough the rear diffuser will almost certainly see some scrapes here and there.

    Sorry don't have a more clear photo of the wheel arches at the moment.
     

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  19. StevenF8

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    What did the dealer charge to do this? Did you put spacers on?


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  20. jmX

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    Not cheap..wanna say $1500-$2000. They did a re-alignment afterwards, and said they also had to re-bleed the lift kit now that it was lowered a bit? They did it all before I took physical delivery of the car so the cost was worth the convenience to me.

    I don't have wheel spacers for the stock rims, but the HRE wheels in the picture have extra offset baked in so they are flush with the outside of the fender.
     
  21. FLU

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    Now that think about it, I’ve yet to actually stop to take a good pic of it after the lowering and the PPF. Every chance I get when it isn’t raining, we’ve been driving it non-stop… Will take a pic soon once the weather clears, has been pretty bad lately.
     
  22. FLU

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    That looks great! Looks a lot lower than 15mm. If I had to guess, that is at least 25 - 30mm. And on stock you say? Wow, I didn’t know it could be done.
     
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  24. Il Co-Pilota

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    I would like to see the different part numbers on both shock and spring that makes this impossible. Sounds odd.

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  25. Il Co-Pilota

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    As was said, an alignment is a must. That's always the case if you mess with the ride height.

    I would seriously reconsider though. When I think about how often the rear diffuser fins bump the road, lowering on stock springs would make it a lot worse. If all you do is cruise, sure, but if you actually drive your car sprited on back roads, then it might be an issue.

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